Sunday, January 24, 2010

I Believe the Fix Was In by Both Parties for the 2008 Election and the Cover Up is Still Going Strong! The Perfect Storm for a Constitutional Crisis!

I Believe the Fix Was In by Both Major Political Parties for the 2008 Election and the Cover Up is Still Going Strong!
The Perfect Storm for a Constitutional Crisis!

by: Charles F. Kerchner, Jr., Commander USNR (Retired)
Lead Plaintiff, Kerchner v Obama & Congress
Posted 24 January 2010 at:

I believe that the RNC and DNC at the highest levels in 2008 were both complicit in shutting down all discussion of Obama's constitutional eligibility issue in the Congress, in the Main Stream Media, in the Print Press, and in the leading conservative Talk Show radio stations. I believe that the RNC and the DNC were both complicit in subverting Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of our Constitution as to the eligibility requirements for the Office of the President, i.e., the person eligible for that office must be a "natural born Citizen", i.e., one born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country such that the child born has singular and sole allegiance at birth to the USA and no citizenship at birth with any other country via his parents or due to the place or location of birth.

A natural born Citizen needs no law or resolution of Congress to give or clarify citizenship status. Natural born Citizenship status can only be obtained by the facts of nature at the child's birth. This is natural law. This is what the founders and framers of our Constitution required for the singular and most powerful office of the President and Commander in Chief of the military. John Jay and George Washington put that requirement into the Constitution for exactly the reason that the person serving in that office would have no foreign influences on him/her by birth due to the facts and circumstances of his/her citizenship at birth. They wanted for all future presidents after the founding generation was gone to have sole allegiance at birth to the United States and no allegiances to any other country. Only "natural born Citizenship" in the USA per natural law guarantees no other allegiance or citizenship claims by an another country at birth of the person. If you are born on the U.S. soil of parents who are both U.S. citizens, no other country can claim you under the law of nations as a Citizen of their country and you are only governed by the laws of the USA at your birth. This is natural law as was codified by Vattel in 1758 in his legal treatise, "The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law". The 1775 edition of this legal book was used as a reference by Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and other founders and framers to set up our new nation in 1776 in the writing of the Declaration of Independence and also in drafting the new form of federal government in 1787 with the writing of our Constitution, the fundamental law of our nation.

Obama was born British. How can a person born a British Subject ever be considered to be a "natural born Citizen" of the USA, to constitutional standards? He cannot! Our founders must be rolling over in their graves witnessing what transpired in the 2008 election cycle.

Both major political parties put up questionable presidential candidates in 2008 with issues as to their birth citizenship status. A 3rd party, the Socialist Party, even put a person named Calero on the ballot for President in 2008 in half dozen states and Calero only had a "green card" and was not even a Citizen, let alone a "natural born Citizen". And the corrupt political system and media let Calero do it and didn't challenge him in order to keep the lid on the cover-up of the constitutional eligibility issues of the respective presidential candidates of the two major parties. The fix and cover-up was in! Obama was born as a British Subject of a non-U.S. citizen father. McCain was born on the sovereign soil of Panama, not on the military base in the Canal Zone as was touted to the public. Both major political parties having issues with their presidential candidates simply proceeded to cover up for each other and helped shut down the major media and talk radio totally using their respective high level contacts in the main stream media industry. They did this with the help of elected officials within the sitting Bush administration and in party leaders in Congress as well as within their own respective presidential campaign organizations. No one in either political party wanted a full, free, and open debate in the major media as to the true historical, constitutional, and Supreme Court common law cases mentioning Vattel and his words on the meaning of "natural born Citizen". No one in either political party wanted a full Congressional hearing about the true meaning of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution concerning who is constitutionally eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the military, especially in the case of Obama whose father was not even an immigrant to this country, let alone not being a citizen of the USA. We are a nation of immigrants. But Obama's father was never one. The political parties and powers in DC wanted to hide this issue from the American people for the political ambition and power of both political parties to run the candidate of their choice irrespective of Constitutional issues. They did not want to hear from the People about this. So the cover up began to squelch all discussion of it to keep as many people in the dark as possible. "Thou shalt not talk about the presidential constitutional Article II eligibility issues" was the word put out by all the powers to be in Washington DC and the U.S. media. Letters to Members of Congress asking for Congressional hearings on Obama's eligibility issues were either not answered or answered with almost form letter type similar obfuscations of the issue put out by members from both parties. Their favorite modus operandi for the cover up was was either ignore the questioners or ridicule them if not able to ignore them. These are two favorite tactics taught in the Saul Alinsky book, Rules for Radicals. And further, it was reported that even outright threats were made to certain conservative talk show radio hosts in the last quarter of 2008 to never broach the subject of constitutional eligibility issues on their shows or to allow on the air people who wish to talk about that issue.

In our two party system the political forces of nature of the RNC and DNC are normally natural enemies of each other and served as a check and balance in our election system. But in 2008, because of the citizenship "issues" of their respective Presidential candidates, both parties were instead complicit in ignoring, undermining, and usurping the Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 eligibility standards for the Office of President of our U.S. Constitution and thus have created "The Perfect Storm for a Constitutional Crisis" of historic proportions. There is now an epic struggle underway pitting the two major political parties and their party controlled elected and appointed officials with their powerful inside the belt way Washington DC opinion shaping forces in the Main Stream Media all combined and aligned against "We the People" and the survival our Constitution, the sovereign and fundamental law of our Republic. George Washington warned us 200+ years ago that a day may come when the political parties put party power and their political goals ahead of the Constitution which is designed to limit the power of the federal government and usurp powers not granted by the Constitution. That day has come. We the People must now stand to defend our Constitution or it will no longer be the fundamental law of our Republic. If simple majority rule can trump the Constitution then there is no more protection left for the political minority and the rule of law. Our government will deteriorate into mob rule. Our nation and the unalienable rights guaranteed in our Constitution will be in great jeopardy and at the whims of the Washington DC power brokers.

And the cover up continues to this day. It is most obvious with the stone silence and "cone of silence" and/or mocking and chuckling comments made by the TV and radio talk show hosts about the eligibility issue questions if even mentioned briefly by a guest now and then on Fox News. The overall approach on Fox News is to ban the topic. Other networks such as MSNBC simply totally mock the movement continually using Saul Alinsky's tactics from Rules for Radicals rule number 5, ridicule, to stifle all open, serious, and public debate on the issue and to scare off any one in political power from broaching the subject. Anyone even just mentioning this issue is pounced on for the ridicule treatment by the press. This total shut down of a free and full "on air" debate of the Obama eligibility issue with serious scholars and legal experts representing each side (such as my attorney, Mario Apuzzo) being allowed on the air together with someone from the Obot side to debate this issue openly is being orchestrated still to this day at the highest levels of the RNC and DNC and their elected official type contacts in various powerful positions. It continues today just as strongly as it was back in Dec 2008 and early Jan 2009. Both major parties are 100% in the CYA mode. Whispers in the hallways back then and continuing today allude to grave consequences if one breaches this subject seriously on the air ways. The RNC silenced opposition in the conservative talk show radio and elsewhere in late 2008 which has enabled Obama to take power virtually unopposed as to addressing his constitutional eligibility in any serious manner in public debate via the national media. The leadership of the RNC at the highest levels, imo, shut down members of their own political party in Congress and via using their powerful contacts in the highest levels of government, they helped shut down conservative talk radio and TV hosts with innuendos and and whispers of the consequences if this subject surfaced for discussion in a major way on their shows. They were told to keep the eligibility issue and the so called "Birthers" banned on their callers list with special instructions to the call screeners to keep them off the air. The RNC powers to be and their political connections used their power to do this in order to cover up their own subverting of Article II of the Constitution via putting up a candidate of their own with questionable natural born Citizenship status as their candidate for President. The big liberal media anointed Obama (a hard core progressive and Socialist) and then anointed McCain (a progressive light) ... because they knew McCain had a citizenship issue of his own and thus would keep him silent about Obama's. And it worked. A "cone of silence" was dropped on the constitutional eligibility issue in the DC media and Congress and elsewhere in America to cover up for what both parties were doing, subverting Article II of the U.S. Constitution in the 2008 election. Listen to this radio show interview for more details.

Atty Apuzzo & CDR Kerchner on Andrea Shea King Radio Show hosted by Andrea Shea King - Friday, 22 Jan 2010, 9 p.m. EST:

In my opinion, when this subversion of our Constitution in the 2008 presidential election cycle and the massive cover up by powerful people in the highest levels of the RNC and DNC and their elected official contacts in our government is exposed, this will be a far worse scandal than Watergate. It will be the worst scandal and political crisis and constitutional crisis in America since the Civil War. Are there any courageous investigative journalists left in the main stream media who will expose this cover up? Who will win the Pulitzer Prize for exposing this travesty to the Constitution, liberty, and justice in America.

I believe this is what has happened in America and the reason for the cone of silence about Obama's citizenship issues since the start of the 2008 presidential election cycle, and it continues to this day. It is a national disgrace and a threat to our freedom and liberty and the survival of our Constitution and Republic. We do not know Obama's true legal identity! He has hidden and sealed all his early life records. What is he hiding!? How can we trust this man usurping the Oval Office to protect America from foreign influence at the highest levels. He bows to Saudi Kings! He backs far-left dictators in Central America like Castro and Hugo Chavez in stifling freedom and Constitutional government in countries like Honduras. Maybe he saw what could happen to him in the Constitutional crisis in Honduras. Who is Obama loyal to? We do not know who he really is. The three enablers of this cover up must cease turning a blind eye to this usurpation. The eligibility issue must be fully and openly discussed and debated in the Main Stream Media, the Congress, and in our Courts. Our liberty and freedom is in the balance.

God bless and protect America in the coming test this year of our fundamental core constitutional rights and our very freedom as this cover up is further exposed.

Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. , Commander USNR (Retired)
Lead Plaintiff , Kerchner v Obama & Congress
For more information on the lawsuit:
U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals, Philadelphia PA, recent filing: Appellant's Opening Brief
To help the cause, please visit:

Update: Read my Open Letters to Glenn Beck:


James said...

Great Summary Charles! I believe though there is one way to get this issue out into National Spotlight and to easily break the Cone of Silence the MSM has orchestrated upon the American People. This is a very easy way and I am frankly very suprised that no one has done it yet.

Obama regularly gives Townhall meetings across the country to discuss his agenda. What is needed is a brave patriot to address Obama's inelgiblity on National TV to Obama himself.

Obama has yet to visit my town for a townhall meeting. Rest Assured, if he does, I will be attending. And I will make sure to get my chance to address Obama on his ineligiblity.

It is important state that whatever brave patriot does this, he or she should definitely come off as an Obot. Once addressed, this brave patriot will ambush Obama and Obama will be made to answer on National TV questions about his eligiblity.

Jim said...

Correct Charles.But in Watergate we still had an independant msm.It is now a propaganda machine no different than Pravda or Der Spiegel.Even the so-called conservatives like Beck are elite shills which would never risk their million dollar sararies in exposing the fraud Soetoro.Out politicians swear dual oaths and will never uphold the one to the organic Con but rather serve the elites under the internationational oath to the Corp US.James,there is a thing called a time delay.Barry is covered unless the elites dhoos to pull the plug.The lawsuits against the Usurper will be delayed until Doomsday.But I applaud the effort to fight it in the Administrative Courts.The only Article III Court left is in the Superior Court in DC and the cases there are faced with Masonic judges stalling the exposure of the fraud of the Trading With The Enemies Act-War Powers Act and the reinforement of those Acts in 1933 against the Sovereigns of this nation.The APA Act of 1946 has been used against us in a perverted manner to deny of uus both Standing and all types of Jurisdiction in the courts over the years unless they throw us a bone and grant it for select civil rights cases.

jayjay said...


Gee, you don't suppost that our "First Citizen" would LIE do you??? And accept the help of others in covering it up???

Keefe Onagerman has told me just tonight that "'tain't so" and everyone depends upon MSNBC (don't they???).

Jim said...

Keep up the Good Fight Charles and Mario.I would ask you to look at the Reconstruction Act;The Trading
With The Enemies Act;The APA Act of 1946; and a close look at Title 28 US Code.Then look at the treasonous UN Charte which is a verbatim transcript of the USSR's and how we have come under International Law over many decades.and how our politicians know they are subject to the jursidiction of the Corporate US in DC and not representing their States.And how each state gave up their sovereignty under the Recon Act in order to get federal aid,and how we became bankrupt as a nation in 1933 and all Americans are miscontrued as enemies of the starte with no standing in any courts unless granted to us for obvious reasons of keeping the notion of having an organic Con alive.This is no matter of happenstance that every branch of government has ignored the eligbility issue in well over a year,and continues to do so.

Let us move forward said...


I read an account by a tea partier in Montana (I think). Obama supporters were bused in and the locals were shut out. He likes to talk to smiling faces after all and to not see any opposition to his approaches. If this tea partier's story is true, good luck getting into an Obama town hall meeting.

Anonymous said...

Right on target Charles. May your God bless you and your effort to uphold your oath.

My 7 year old grandson understands Obama is not a NBC of the US.

This is a case of might makes right. In my opinion Obama wants to harm America.

I also think it has to do with no
money in that lock box for the BB.

They are coming for Medicare and their SS and there is no funds.

So screw it up and step back and say we tried to pass health insurance reform and the people didn't want it. That is why we have no money.

On the other hand if it does pass they will simply kill it all off with a bait and switch game.

Why else is insurance reform on the front burner?


Chief said...

Article II, Section I, Clause 5, the usurping of, if we take a look back at who supported the attempted constitutional amendments to change the article; all of which never made out of committee and then compare the list with both Republicans and Democarts we soon see that those individuals, some extremely influential in congress, are the ones most complicit in this attempt to subvert and change the constitutio without the amendment process. Am I a Conpiracy Theorist? Yes! But rightly so this is a conspricacy pure and simple.

jayjay said...


You've got it nailed!! Plainly and simply.

cfkerchner said...

Thanks Dix and others for you comments about my op-ed type piece.

I'm also pleased to announce today that as a result of continued donations we were able to place another full page insertion in today's Washington Times National Weekly edition, page 5. You can see and download an electronic copy of it at this link.

If you would like to see more ads like this one run in the Print Media please make a donation to help the cause. You can see all dozens of ad insertions we've run to-date at the same site. And the OBOTS have noticed them too. That is for sure. You can tell by the hate email I get when you hit a nerve with them. ;-)

Thank you to all who have donated in the past. But we need to keep donating to keep this going until Obama is removed. Please stop on by the site and make a donation. Small or large it all adds up and helps this cause to continue the battle in an effective way. I can do a lot with a little. But I do need that "little bit extra" to make it happen. Give what you can. I thank you.

Charles Kerchner
CDR USNR (Retired)
Lead Plaintiff
Kerchner v Obama & Congress

James said...

As you suggested to me Charles, If people can't donate to your cause, they certainly help you in other ways. People should try to network with media contacts to get you and Mario on his or her show. Much of the media that does discuss the eligiblity issue usually will interview Orly or Berg. I don't think you and Mario get enough credit or exposure to the media. You and Mario need to be interviewed more. People should try to help out in that. I don't think they honestly need to interview both of you. Charles does fantastic on his own although he may feel more comfortable having Mario with him. Either way, you guys deserve to be interviewed much more than the other parties. You have so much more to offer. I think other parties have ulterior motives or sound too scripted.

Robert said...

The perpetrators of this fraud are doomed to failure. They have underestimated the spirit and ingenuity of “We the People.” The war they prosecute against the very people who have honored them with positions and authority offers to them no victory and no spoils that they might spread amongst their lot. For they have nothing which does not come from God through the People.

The longer these purveyors of deceit contrive to build their tangled web, the greater their individual and collective fall will be. Their world of darkness, no matter how vast, has no power over even the smallest candle. The light of “Truth” will prevail.

Stay at them. Do not waiver. Do not desist. Descend upon them like a steady rain.

At the time of reckoning they will fall upon themselves. Much of their leadership will be rended; the remaining will fall upon their swords. These pathetic, self-absorbed cowards will quickly give up even their dearest friends and associated to avoid the rope they’ve earned through their treason and infidelity.

Even now these misguided souls live in fear and desperation. Their socialist worldly view based on the scarcity, envy and selfishness of a Godless vision leaves them an appetite that can never be satisfied. They are blinded to the blessings of liberty and reject the truths and responsibilities that make those blessings abundant. They have unwittingly chosen lives of emptiness and fear.

They fear the innocent child that will refuse to accept their lies.

They fear the informed school teacher or student – a fear that grows stronger with each school visit.

They fear the Mother and Father who stand up for their parent’s lives and their children’s freedom.

They fear the elderly man or woman who will not surrender to their demands.

They fear the soldiers and veterans armed with the truth.

They fear the light of each new day.

They fear the shadows.

They fear the traitor in their midst.

They do not know who will be the first to fall or when. Yet, they know that they will fall. They always do.

They fear us.

Step by step we are coming.
They can feel us getting closer.

Word by word we are coming.
They can hear us getting louder.

As the light of truth spreads from one citizen to the next, candle by candle, we are coming. They can see the light of truth shining brighter and brighter.

Even in their sleep, they know we are coming.

And we will keep on coming until their wall collapses and their deceit lays in ruin.

We will raise our Flag again!

We are like the rain.

We will be Free!

Sallyven said...

Great essay, Mr. Kerchner.

Another way I believe we can help the cause is to write articles and post comments at blogs, especially those that have a wide readership.

Today, on a blog that has become rather famous, especially since the Brown election, I posted a response to the following article:

I slanted my comment to omit the questions surrounding the birth certificate itself, so that those who are uninformed on the issue would realize that there is much merit to the Constitutional definition as well.

Many, many people read the blog (its comments are moderated), and I truly believe that this is one small way that we can further educate the public on this issue.
I have commented there on this subject before, and have yet to receive a direct response from Mr. Jacobson, the blog’s author, who is a law professor at Cornell.

At least he posts my comments. Progress.

Sallyven said...

Here is another reason why dual nationality for the CIC is a problem:

Indonesia is unhappy that the President has "failed to make a significant contribution to the Indonesian nation."

Sallyven said...

Phil on The Right Side of Life picked up on my comment on Legal Insurrection and posted it in his update on the eligibility issue:

Larry said...

If the usurper is not required to obey the law, then no Citizen can be compelled to. Goliath government, prepare to meet tens of millions of Citizen Davids! About twenty years ago, the government of France tried to force a very unpopular law down the throats of their people. Small groups of farmers organized and used their tractors and other farm equipment in a synchronized action to slow or completely block traffic on major roads all over the nation, thus creating total chaos and shutting down commerce. When the government realized that they couldn't possibly control so many small groups of farmers and very real threats of rioting began, the government nullified the unpopular law. The average person in America has no idea how powerful he/she is! The U.S. Government's mainstream media propaganda machine runs 24/7/365 trying to convince Citizens that the government must be obeyed - or else. In what amounts to "psyops" threats against the Citizens, the U.S. Government loves to show off the capabilities of its latest "magic weapons" through the mainstream media. After reading of the success of the French, we, too, should be contemplating serious plans for "change". Congress would quickly agree to commence an investigation into the usurper's eligibility if a similar commerce paralyzing action occurred here. As I stated at the beginning, no law for the usurper equals no law for any of us. Are you fed-up enough to actually take action, or will you continue to sit on your lazy behind and believe the fairy tales about how the courts and Congress will eventually come to the rescue of our nation? What if our Founding Fathers had been all talk, no action sissies and concluded that facing down the British was too risky and dangerous an undertaking to attempt? Just imagine for a moment that Washington, Franklin, Adams, Jefferson and all the rest are sitting around a table in Philadelphia and one says, "Gee, you know something, we'd better scrap these crazy plans of ours, we could be arrested - or maybe even shot!"? LET'S BE REALISTIC, WHAT IF WE CHOOSE TO DO NOTHING MORE THAN CONTINUE HOPING THAT CONGRESS and THE COURTS WILL MIRACULOUSLY DO THE RIGHT THING? HAS IT NOT BECOME CLEAR TO EVERYONE ALIVE THAT THE COURTS and CONGRESS ARE HOPELESSLY CORRUPT? Open your eyes, America! I care not how "politically incorrect" and offbeat my theoretical plan of action may sound, I only care that the plan carries great hope for restoring the rule of Constitutional law to a Citizenry that is in grave danger of losing it's very last drop of liberty and freedom. One thing that this government understands is that if the general population suddenly becomes hungry, unable to travel, and broke, the government will face severe consequences - they cannot possibly control millions of irate Citizens. Every day, more people learn the fact that the usurper cannot qualify as a "n.b.C.". The vast majority of U.S. Citizens are becoming madder by the hour because we have an arrogant, unresponsive, overbearing, out of control Congress that NEVER takes heed of what the Citizens demand, they just do as they please and thumb their noses at us. It's only a matter of time until the talk ends and the action begins!

cfkerchner said...

Obama once said if they bring a knife, we bring a gun.

Now that he's lost a lot of his "mojo" he's going back to his old standby and grinding political "ground game", Saul Alinky's book Rules for Radicals. And he's going to make it a lot more ruthless and messy before it gets better. The far-left relishes a no holds barred fight. They are itching for it and will likely not leave power without a good one. And using Alinksy's rules which they were taught they are generally better at it than we Conservatives. It is Obama's bible on getting and keeping political power. It is the bible of the public union the SEIU and of course it is the bible of ACORN. Obama taught courses in it to these people in Chicago to various groups, including the SEIU and ACORN.

Obama is following his tactics book to the tee again. He's reverting to Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals now that he is in political difficulty. Saul Alinsky taught in his tactics book Rules for Radical that to win power and money for the have nots by taking it from the haves, you must "appeal to the middle class" and keep them politically on the side of the Progressives and Socialists.

Here is an old, old quote from Alinsky himself in an early campaign against capitalism.

Thus all the rhetoric from Obama has suddenly started about programs for the middle class and the banners behind Obama at appearances in public with "middle class" slogans on them. He's going to ground and back to classic Alinsky hard ball tactics like he used in the election.

Obama's "Appeal to the Middle Class" Rhetoric is a "Classic Saul Alinsky" play book strategy.

Old newspaper showing quote by Alinsky

Don't be fooled again.

Another classic Alinsky tactic is to lie. Say anything to win. According to Alinsky, the ends justify the means. Anyone who still has not read Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radical needs to do so. Obama uses it as his tactics book. And when pressured he reverts totally back to the basic rules outlined in that book. Remember, Obama taught classes in gaining power using Alinsky tactics.

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and the writings of Cloward and Piven in the Cloward-Piven Strategy are all that one needs to study and read to fully understand what Obama is doing and will do in his effort to bring America to heel with his Progressive/Socialist agenda, including lies and deception.

For those not familiar with Saul Alinsky and his infamous and ruthless Rules for Radicals book and his 13 rules, here is a listing of them:

Alinsky's 13 Rules for Radicals

Charles Kerchner

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Larry said...

Every Citizen of this nation needs to understand that the "Federal Reserve Bank" is A PRIVATELY OWNED BUSINESS and THE OWNERS of the "Federal Reserve Bank" own and control Congress and this country. Contrary to what most people believe, there is NO gold OR silver backing our currency (learn the difference between currency and money). Congress passed the "Federal Reserve Act" in 1913, and in so doing, turned over control of the entire banking system of this country to a PRIVATE CORPORATION. The young and dumb staff members in most Congressional offices have been trained to tell you that what I'm saying is "just a conspiracy theory" (you know you're on the right track any time a Congressman or his staff label whatever you've inquired about a "conspiracy theory"). If you STILL believe the "Federal Reserve Bank" is part of the government, just go to their nearest office and ask the guard at the door - he'll tell you it's not only a private corporation, but that you also need to get off and stay off their property. Read "The Monster From Jekyll Island" and learn the facts about how the "Fed" plans to destroy this country. The fix is definitely in and the "Fed" has been the "fixer" for a long time.

jayjay said...


One small correction -

It's "The Creature From Jekyll Island" ... and it's one heck of a great read. Thanks for mentioning it.

James said...

I was listening to an Obot program where they were talking about Obama's Ineligiblity. Some Obot argued that there is only 2 types of citizenship: Native and Naturalized. However, no court has ever litigated Natural Born citizen under the context of Article 2 Section 1. (Presidential Eligiblity) Since it can mastfully argued that the POTUS is different from that of an ordinary citizen because of powers endowed to the POTUS (Commander in Chief for instance), I would argue that there are actually 3 types of citizenship: Native, Naturalized, and Article 2 Section 1 Natural Born. Article 2 Section 1 Natural Born has yet be discovered by court since no case has ever been litigated under context of Presidential Eligibility. But, I will submit your mastful arguing certainly derives the 3rd type of citizenship which could called Article 2 Section 1 Natural Born citizenship. If this can never be recognized, one can certainly argue that US citizenship at Birth (Meaning just born on US Soil) can be essentially an instantenous form of naturalization as there is great body of law that been created to grant citizens born on US Soil citizenship at the instant of their birth.

cfkerchner said...

From the links in Mario's blog:

The Five Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution -- a Chart

Euler Diagram Showing Various Types of Citizenship in the U.S.


Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

Black Lion and his buddies over at Dr. Conspiracy are still peddling their cockamany idea that the Founders, who had just fought a successful war against the British, used feudal British common law that talked about subjects being born in the obedience, dominions, and perpetual primal natural allegiance of the King to decide who would be eligible to be President and military leader of the new Constitutional Republic. Who are they trying to kid?

William said...

Mario or Charles,

Is there an approximate time frame in which you expect to hear back from the court? Or is there simply an on “on average” time in which they respond? You may have addressed this on your last interview, I simply have not listened to all of it, yet.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...


I filed Appellants' Opening Brief on January 19, 2010. Obama and Congress have 30 days within which to file their opposition brief. Then I have 14 days within which to file my reply brief. Then the Third Circuit Court of Appeal in Philadelphia reviews the materials and will advise on oral arguments in Philadelphia. It is hard to predict when the court will actually decide the case.

Incredulous said...

Re: James about bots posting that there are only two types of citizenship...
They're trying to conflate groupings to confuse because there's overlaps.
I just point them to Article II which differentiates natural born citizen from (statutory) citizen, and the fact that natural born citizen is not in the 14th/USC1401.
And so anyone who is a 1401 US citizen cannot be a NBC.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

Just so it is clear. All Article II "natural born Citizens" are necessarily "citizens of the United States" but not all "citizens of the United States" are necessarily Article II "natural born Citizens."

Larry said...

jayjay - Thank you very kindly and please forgive my error. You are correct, the book is entitled "The Creature From Jekyll Island", not "The Monster From Jekyll Island". My error is due to the fact that whenever someone mentions the Federal Reserve Bank, in my mind's eye, I automatically envision the Lernaean Hydra of Greek mythology, the slaying of which was the second of the "Twelve Labours of Hercules". I believe the Federal Reserve Bank is the most venomous, powerful, dangerous, and destructive monster this nation has ever faced. "Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws." — Mayer Amsched Rothschild, founder of the Rothschild family international banking dynasty.

jayjay said...


Yep, "hydra-headed" is a good description all right. Rothschild had it exactly right and he should know having done "a lot of that" himself.

James said...


Be warned that DOJ will reply to try to dismiss your case. (Of course you know that.) It may quite helpful at this point to try anticipate or research on what DOJ may say in their reply. I am very certain that DOJ will use the Phil Berg decision as precedent to try to dismiss your case. (In one interview, you said an Obot apparently warned of this.) DOJ may also try to use other cases such the Carter case and others eligibility cases to dismiss your case. If that is DOJ's plan, then your best course of action is to research many of the decisions of eligiblity cases especially Berg's case and try to punch holes in those decisions. When DOJ responds, you will able to respond accordingly. I am sure that you want to try also differeiate your case from those cases as well. So, I encourage to study the Berg decision with a fine tooth and comb, and punch as much holes in it as possible.

Larry said...

The usurper's house of cards is collapsing! Rep. Darrell Issa, ranking member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has the goods on Obama's Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. Earlier this month, Issa received emails proving without a shadow of a doubt that the New York Federal Reserve Bank, under Geithner’s leadership, withheld documents and delayed disclosures on A.I.G.’s swindle operation with Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, and other international bankster criminal organizations.---JUST WAIT and SEE WHAT LITTLE, IF ANY, PUNISHMENT GEITHNER RECEIVES!--- This case will prove that if you help steal $182,300,000,000 from a bank using a pen, you MIGHT be investigated, caught, and prosecuted, then sent to a "country club" type of federal prison, where you'll be allowed all the conjugal visits you can handle, and, tragically, you'll be forced to swim, play golf, and play tennis day in and day out for a couple of years. On the other hand, if you're an average Joe and you lose your job, then you DARE to steal $100 from a bank using a gun because you simply cannot tolerate another moment of hearing your children crying from hunger pains, the F.B.I. ("F.umbling B.unch of I.diots") will DEFINITELY launch a full scale investigation, place a bank security camera photo of you on the evening news, charge you with a major crime, "try" you (force you to plead guilty because you cannot afford proper legal representation), and send you to a roach, rat, and violent gang infested prison for a minimum of five years - for all intents and purposes, your life will be over and it's very likely that you'll never see your family again. The hypocrisy of the "justice system" is positively amazing (if someone is poor, criminal courts are nothing but "line 'em up and plead 'em guilty" slaughterhouses)! Attorney Steve Bright, another person whom I count among my friends, explains the situation :

James said...

I'm not a lawyer, but I am sure you will agree that the trick to sucessful litigation is knowing what other side is going to do, how they think and how to respond to them.

Chief said...

Conspiracy abounds in congress, the RNC and the DNC; and even though I voted for McCain, he was the lesser of two evils; but as it turns out, in my opinion, John was also not eligible to seek the nomination much less run for the office.

As we know John was born in Panama, while his dad served in the Navy there, it was an accompanied tour of duty and therefore his mother was in Panama also. John was born in Panama two US citizen parents; once John birth was registered at the US Embassy, he became a US citizen; but, John was never a Natural Born Citizen since he was not born on sovereign soil. Many argue that he was born on the Naval Base where the Sr. McCain served; even if this were true, a Naval Base, or any other military base outside of the United States is not sovereign soil, it is leased ground and therefore, in the case, the soil was Panamanian.

Had John been born on the US Embassy grounds, then the whole matter would have changed, and he would have been a Natural Born Citizen since Embassy grounds no matter where located is sovereign soil.

John was a US citizen by an act of congress; and as we all know from our knowledge of our constitution congress cannot determine how one’s birth qualifies them to be a Natural Born Citizens, that is reserved to our constitution.

So had John been elected we would still be going down this path, but with the liberal in lock step to remove John from office. In the final analysis it would still be a constitutional issue to be resolved.

Conspiracy, you bet!

James said...

Operation Flood It -Surprise Attack

The republicans have set up a chat room site where you can participate starting at 9:30 eastern till after the State of the Union address tonight.

This is a great chance to Flood them with questions on Obama’s eligibility.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

I just left an obot called suedbastards the following message:

"I see you're feeling stong. Why don't you join a real war.

I also see that people like you are still peddling that cockamany idea that the Founders, who had just fought a successful war against the British, used feudal British common law that talked about subjects being born in the obedience, dominions, and perpetual primal natural allegiance of the King to decide who would be eligible to be President and military leader of the new Constitutional Republic.

I also see how people like you need some reading glasses, for when you see "citizen" you see "natural born Citizen," when you see "parents" you see "parent," and when you see the Fourteenth Amendment you see Article II. And let's not forget how you do not see any of the United States Supreme Court cases, Congressional Acts, and other legal authorities that came before but you surely can see one case that was decided in 1898, or 109 years after the Constitution was adopted. And God forbid we should forget how when you see a 2008 computer-imaged Certification of Live Birth you see a 1961 contemporaneous birth certificate.

See, you never realized that the solution to the Obama eligibility issue lies in just knowing a little about U.S. history and in having the right reading glasses."

cfkerchner said...

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A friend has started a new blog. If you have a few moments stop on by and check it out and leave a comment and word of encouragement.


cfkerchner said...

This Tweet needs to be confirmed. Has any one seen/heard this live and can confirm Glenn Beck has seen the Constitutional light and truth of Article II?

"Glenn Beck acknowledges Obama is a 'Citizen', NOT a natural born citizen"

Great news for us and the Tea Party Movement if this tweet is confirmed and that Glenn Beck has seen the constitutional difference between being a Citizen and a "natural born Citizen" as is required in Article II of the Constitution to be President.


jayjay said...


John McCain was actually born in the city of Colon, Panama in a private Panamanian hospital.

The city of Colon was, by the Panama Canal Treaty, EXCLUDED from the Canal Zone (as was the Panamanian city of the South end, Panama City.

Ergo, the hospital of birth was not on US soil, but Panamanian. A copy of his actual BC is kicking around on the web.

jayjay said...


It seems that "suedbastards" is merely parroting the Flying Monkey interpretation of citizenship ... and you'll perchance note that monkeys do not wear glasses of their own accord!

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...


We need to confirm that Beck actually made the statement that Obama is not a "natural born Citizen," for we cannot come to such a conclusion from infering that he made it from the fact that Beck said Obama is a "citizen" and he also did not say he is a "natural born Citizen."

In other words, did Beck actually say that Obama is not a "natural born Citizen" or has it just been inferred that he said that from his statement that Obama is a "citizen?"

James said...

Yes, the question to asked to talking heads is not "Do You think Obama is a US Citizen?" but "Do You think Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?"

Anonymous said...

Puzo1 said...

We need to confirm that Beck actually made the statement that Obama is not a "natural born Citizen," for we cannot come to such a conclusion from infering that he made it from the fact that Beck said Obama is a "citizen" and he also did not say he is a "natural born Citizen."

In other words, did Beck actually say that Obama is not a "natural born Citizen" or has it just been inferred that he said that from his statement that Obama is a "citizen?"

Let me help clear this up as I just happened to catch it because the hubby was home & had it on.

Beck said nothing of the sort. What Beck said was that Obama was a citizen & therefore eligible to be president wherein he once again mocked those who question Obama's legitimacy to be president.

Yes, "O' Really?" has been good mentor to Beck. They are boosum buddies now connected at the hip.

Larry said...

Glenn Beck is part of the government's decades old propaganda campaign known as "Operation Mockingbird". As I stated in a previous comment, I have a good many powerful contacts in and around Washington and they have confirmed Beck's affiliation with a certain intelligence agency. Although Beck claims to be a conservative, when his statements are closely examined, he is nothing of the sort. Have you folks been paying attention to what this man has been saying? Does anyone truly believe Beck is a Libertarian? Beck supports the patriot act, warrantless spying, the bailout, and more new taxes - he does not support the freedoms guaranteed by the United States Constitution. In addition, Beck aggressively attacked Ron Paul and his supporters during the election campaign when it looked like the Texas Congressman might have a real chance of winning the nomination. Beck's bizarre and staged antics and fake crying are shameful. The entire 9/12 project has nothing to do with uniting America and everything to do with reinforcing government rhetoric about how we should relinquish our rights and accept the ever more controlling police state in which we now live. I watch, I listen, I analyze, and I remember what people say and what they stand for. I'm not falling for the b/s. Beck's credibility is "0".

Larry said...

Here's the video, Beck is still, as always, shamefully mocking those who know Obama is not a "n.b.C.".

Unknown said...

McClain did submit his birth certificate. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone that was part of the United States at that time. Also both his mother and father were US Citizens. There is no mystry about McClain's citizenship. Obama, on the other hand is defiitely hiding something or he would have produced his birth certificate. It takes mega$$$ to hide his past. I believe powerful men like Soros are footing the bill for this. At one point Hillary brought up the subject of his birth certificate, but quickly backed down? Why? And why in the world did the RNC not pursue this serious question of eligibility?

Actually, I don't think the GOP wanted McClain to win and could have been in cohoots with DNC, but I honestly do not think McClain was a part of this coverup.

Please keep us informed.

Anonymous said...

BetttyJo: McClain did submit his birth certificate. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone

Actually Betty, McClain was born at Colon Hosp, Colon, Panama which was in the Republic of Panama and not under US jurisdiction. His birth certificate testifies to this and busts the urban myth of a canal zone birth.

Larry said...

Carefully note the names on the list of Bilderberg members at the link. Those are the people that meet and decide who "our" presidents will be and how the world is run. The member's name I find most interesting is "Barak Hussein Obama". I knew Mary Jordan, the late sister of Bilderberg member Vernon E. Jordan, Jr. "Miss Mary" (Mary Jordan Catering) was a wonderful cook and she catered many of the finest parties in and around Atlanta. Next door to what used to be Mary's business is "West Barber Shop" (an old fashioned barber shop where the top businessmen of Atlanta socialize - crazy Ted Turner, Robert C. Loudermilk Sr. {before I knew him, he gave me a personal check for an expensive car. I didn't know "that old man in the ragged and dirty jogging suit", so before I handed him the keys, I called the bank. The clerk instantly said, "Sir, it's good, HE OWNS THIS BANK"} & Jr. [Aaron's owners, NASCAR team owners, bankers], Arthur Blank [Home Depot founder, Atlanta Falcons owner], Raymond Parks [95 year old "alleged mob boss" who financed the founding of NASCAR - he answers all questions with "I'll not say"], "Jimbo" Howard ["Atlanta Hardwood"], etc.). Saturdays, I would have my hair cut, listen to the "big boys" talk, then step into Mary's shop and buy something to take home - everything was excellent. I'd often sit and chat with Mary and I quickly learned she had no use for her brother, Vernon (he never called unless he wanted Mary to cater a party free of charge - he's worth hundreds of millions). The last time I saw her alive, Mary was suffering terribly with diabetes and heart disease, I knew her time on this Earth was almost over. Her blunt honesty matched that of the Reverend James David Manning. There were two questions I just had to ask. First : May I PLEASE have copies of all your recipes? Answer : "Certainly, honey!". Second : If you had your life to live over again, what would you change? She stared out the window and said, "Remember when that man shot Vernon in his liver? When I went to the hospital to see Vernon, he 'cussed' me! I wish I had of 'helt' my hand over his no account face 'till he was stone cold dead!". Her answer shocked me so much that my face burned. I said, "MISS MARY! - YOUR OWN BROTHER?". She laughed and said, "Well, that's the truth, he's always been cheap, hateful, and good for nothin'. He'd steal the pennies off'n dead folks eyes!". Even the immediate families of the self-centered Bilderberg members despise them. Here's the link to the members of Bilderberg and their invitees : article is one of many PROVING Obama was chosen to be president by the Bilderberg group, NOT by the voters. The idea that "your vote counts" in a presidential election is a farce...

jayjay said...


I surely agree with you about Glenn Beck - he's the same "stripe" as O'Reilly and both are equally uninformed (or pro-Obama) despite their pretense to the contrart to try to snag listeners.

I found your Atlanta story fascinating and very down to earth. Good stuff!

You should check into these two short videos which start slowly but build up into a wealth of information about Obama and his intentions. The second video has a right-on-the-money quotation from a Senator that must have been made with Obama in mind (problem is, it was made by the Roman Senator Cicero in 42 BC): Three Little Words Merry Christmas OmeriKa!!

Christinewjc said...

I just became aware of the following blog that has some really good information about Obama's birth certificate fraud in a recent post there:

Butterdezillion Blog

Perhaps you are already aware of this. It was also posted over at The Obama File today.

Sallyven said...

Mr. Apuzzo, on your comment from 1/26 regarding Black Lion—

You are so right. As anyone who really contemplates what was meant in the very first paragraph of the Declaration would understand.

The founding fathers clearly rejected the idea that rights were granted by the sovereign, but rather naturally endowed by our Creator.

Progressives have a long history of rejecting this concept.

Unfortunately for them, there are still citizens (and judges) who do understand it, treasure it, and will defend it.

Anonymous said...

Our nation and the inalienable rights guaranteed in our Constitution will be in great jeopardy and at the whims of the Washington DC power brokers.

Please use the word unalienable and not inalienable.


unalienable can not be sold.

inalienable can be sold by the holder. Much weeker.

Besides the Constitution uses the word unalienable thank goodness it got it correct.

It is important at this time that we use the correct word. Particularily in any legal filings.

cfkerchner said...

Duly noted and fixed.