Sunday, June 14, 2009

Why Should We Care That Our President Is At Least A Natural Born Citizen

A friend of mine sent me the following quote from Cicero, a Roman philosopher, statesman, lawyer, political theorist, and Roman constitutionalist, January 3, 106 BC – December 7, 43 BC. It made me think of the importance of having a President that the people can trust. Indeed, it shows that it is more dangerous for a nation to be secretly attacked from within than openly from without.

"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable for he is known and carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself... for the traitor appears no traitor: He speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their faces and their garments, he appeals to the baseless that lies deep in the souls of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is to be less feared." ~ Cicero

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roderick said...

I firmly know in my heart of hearts that the American People will be victorious in this matter.

mtngoat61 said...

When we take the oath we swear to protect the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

Uniformed Services Oath

We do not swear to protect a man, a piece of land, but the Constitution, the supreme law of the land and ultimate protecter of us all from a tyrannical national government. Cicero knew of the evils from within 2000 years ago and are founding fathers knew about it which is why they gave our new nation a written Constitution to limit the power of the federal government. Our Constitution has been weakened over the last 100 years or so by the progressive movement. Now Obama is trying to, with a willing and complicit Congress and enabling press, totally destroy the power of the Constitution that was designed to protects us all from a tyrannical federal government and make it irrelevant to them and their powers. The Usurper in office and the entire House of Representatives and Senate must be replaced. The Usurper via the legal system since he is ineligible. And the entire House of Reps and 1/3 of the Senate should be completely replaced in the 2010 elections.

M Publius Goat
Goat's Ledge

drkate said...

Powerful and relevant quote. Thank you.

jayjay said...

It is very clear that our putative president has read the novel "Philip Dru: Administrator" written by Edward Mandell House (an extremely close cohort/confidant of our first Socialist president Woodrow Wilson) and is using it as a roadmap - check it out!!.

Using the link, read at least the "About the Author" and see if it doesn't describe what "our boy" is up to to implement the "Dreams From His Father"!!! The novel itself is actually rather puerile and not even particularly good, but the "About ..." entry outlines it well enough.

mtngoat61 said...

Natural Born Citizen defined - Universal Truth & Natural Law

To be a natural born citizen one has to be born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country -- natural law codified by Vattel in his 1758 legal treatise, The Law of Nations. Natural law is based on widely and internationally accepted universal truths.

Being born in the USA is a necessary component but Not Sufficient by itself.

Having two parents who are Citizen of the USA when the child is born is a necessary component but Not Sufficient by itself.

Being born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country is the only state of nature and facts which meets the universal truth of being a natural born citizen of the country at birth.

Being born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country is the "universal truth" and Law of Nations definition of the historical meaning of the legal term of art "natural born citizen" when the framers inserted it into the Constitution in Article II as part of the minimum eligibility requirements for the office of President & Commander-in-Chief. For the other branches of the new federal government being a simple Citizen was sufficient. But for the singular most powerful office in our new federal government, the framers wanted the person holding that office to have deeper roots in the country than required for Senators and House members ... by requiring the child's both parents to have allegiance only to the USA via those parents having been born here or being naturalized in the USA if they were immigrants ... AND .... that the child of theirs had to be physically born in the USA in order that the child could someday become the President & Commander-in-Chief. In order words the child has to be a 2nd generation American via both parents. This is the only way under "natural law" and the "universal truths" innate in that natural law, that the person in the office will have sole allegiance at birth and no claim on him at birth by any foreign power. A child born in that state of nature, in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country, meets the "universal truth" test and "natural law" as having only one country and one allegiance and no divided loyalties at birth. That is what the country's founders and framers intended for all future Presidents of the USA after their founding generation which fought to create the new Republic was gone from this earth.

Universal truths were self evident to our founders and framers. Only now has the progressive movement slowly been changing the meaning of words and universal truths of natural law passed down over the millenniums since time immemorial.

M Publius Goat

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...


I commend you on an excellent writing on the definition of a "natural born Citizen." We have to educate everyone on what one is. Once one reads the correct definition of a "natural born Citizen, the secret is unlocked. It becomes clear as to why such a person would be trusted with the ultimate power of the Presidency. Being President is a lonely and powerful position. It carries an amount of power that cannot be imagined by anyone, a power to change the world for generations to come. There is no stronger bond to a nation than being tied to it through its soil and through one's parents. It is this bond that gives one the inner strength to carry on in the best and sole interest of the nation. Acting without hesitancy and with a sure heart for what one feels is right in the circumstances is critical for the nation's survival. Being guided by history and love of country, only a "natural born Citizen" can have these innate qualities and earn the respect and trust of his or her countrymen. This love of country is a quality that our President must have in order for him or her to perpetuate the society and prevent it from being attacked from within and without.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

Anonymous said...

The academic question "Why Should we care that our President is at least a natural born citizen" is in itself self-explanatory. The obvious answer to that question should actually be obvious.

However, here are a few empirical answers found by me online.

"We are racist to even ask the question"

"His birth certificate is posted on his site. Proof Positive"

"A certificate of live birth is as legal as a birth certificate"

"Long form, short form whatever. You 'repugs' are jealous you lost,
we won, get over it"

"etc. - ad nauseam - blah, blah, blah"

There is truly no limit to the filthy language, name calling and
accusations made whenever this subject is brought up.

The idea that we have no reason to even ask the question is fairly ridiculous. Even in the face of unprecedented undisclosed info we are "racist" to suggest that we need proof that Obama is actually a citizen of the United States.

If I made a list of events that I would never witness in my lifetime, this administration's misconduct would fill dozens of pages. However, the constitutional misconduct alone would be enough to make our founding fathers spin in their graves. im204

mtngoat61 said...

A proposed narrative to explain the various seemingly conflicting statements made about Obama's birth in Kenya and Hawaii:

Underage U.S. teenager gets pregnant via a significantly older married man from Kenya. An unusual event in 1961.

Mother of teenager is in total shock over the event as would have been many mothers of teenage girls getting pregnant in 1961 and says to her daughter you have ruined your life and will make going to college much harder for yourself and convinces the teenage girl to go to Kenya in the last month of her pregnancy and give up the baby to the Kenyan natural family of the natural father of the child to be raised in Kenya by them.

The Kenyan grandmother of the child attends birth in Kenyan hospital in Mombasa Kenya and is ready to take custody of the child and raise the child for the foot loose and fancy free natural father with multiple wives ... and the U.S. teenage mother is supposed return to Hawaii leaving the child with the natural father's family and restart her life back in Hawaii minus the child ... and go to college. In 1961, pregnant teenage girls giving up children to restart their lives anew was not unusual.

But nature throws the plan a curve ball. Maternal instincts kick in and mother cannot leave the baby in Kenya, either due to pure maternal instincts or in seeing the conditions in Kenya that her child would be raised in with a mostly absentee father over there. Thus she changes her mom's plan and she takes the baby and birth certificate issued by the Mombassa Hospital to the American Embassy or consulate in Kenya and shows them the Kenyan Birth Certificate for her child and "explains" the baby was born unexpectedly in Kenya while there visiting her "husband's" family. U.S. officials then stamp her passport as traveling with an infant child.

Mother gets on plane carrying the child and flies back to Hawaii and appears at the airport arrival with the new baby in tow, much to the shock of her mother, the child's U.S. grandmother. Baby easily is passed through U.S. entry officials due to embassy stamp on mother's passport and the supporting Kenyan birth certificate showing a U.S. citizen is the mother.

Child's U.S. grandmother is still besides herself at this change in plans by the mother of the child. The child's grandmother then knowing or learning from legal advisers how lax Hawaiian birth registration laws were in 1961, then cooks up a plan and scheme with the child's mother, to lie to Hawaiian officials and swear and sign affidavits at the birth registry office that the child was born in Hawaii at home with no witnesses but them, in order to get the child U.S. citizenship (a highly desirable status) to make future travel and life easier on the family and new child. They did this lie and cover up simply to gain U.S. citizenship for the child a highly coveted status for any child, not knowing that this child might someday grow up and try to become the President and thus risk having their whole plans and lies exposed.

Birth registration office then issues the announcements to the two newspapers, as was the offices custom at the time to send the papers lists of babies born, of the birth event which at its source was only based on the false sworn testimony of the mother. Thus the birth notices in the newspapers are not independent data, they all came from the same source, ... false sworn statements from the mother and/or grandmother that the child was born in Hawaii.

Thus under this narrative the birth records in the vaults in Hawaii may be simply sworn affidavits of the mother and grandmother saying Obama was born at home with no witnesses, all based on lies and fraud, which seems to be a common occurrence with Mr. O's entire life.

A suggested narrative to explain events and facts as revealed thus far.