tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post3729854734108975491..comments2024-03-02T14:24:03.076-05:00Comments on Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers: Concerned Americans Have Good Reason to Doubt that Putative President Obama Was Born in HawaiiMario Apuzzo, Esq. http://www.blogger.com/profile/12200858207095622181noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-56638960181177352372010-05-01T23:05:38.772-04:002010-05-01T23:05:38.772-04:00Nick,
There is no known evidence that the public...Nick, <br /><br />There is no known evidence that the public knew that Chester Arthur was born to an alien mother and father. At that time, the wife followed the citizenship of the husband. Presumably, Arthur took steps to hide his papers from the public. Under the prevailing government citizenship position at that time with the government having the same position in 1898 as was evidenced in the 1898 case of Wong Kim Ark, Arthur would have been declared an alien needing naturalization. Hence, his case is no precedent. Also, that Arthur was not eligible to be President does not serve to make Obama eligible, for two wrongs do not make a right.Mario Apuzzo, Esq. https://www.blogger.com/profile/12200858207095622181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-49434269909387603082010-05-01T22:12:39.037-04:002010-05-01T22:12:39.037-04:00How does your case compare to the Chester Arthur c...How does your case compare to the Chester Arthur case ?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17297506355118333539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-30609982441013822152010-04-27T10:22:06.709-04:002010-04-27T10:22:06.709-04:00We have, hanging over our heads, a Constitutional ...We have, hanging over our heads, a Constitutional Crisis of unimaginable proportions. The Obama eligibility question is orders of magnitude beyond any other issues under consideration by the country. We have a Congress, a Court System, and a so-called free press that refuses to address the eligibility issue and who are complicit in this fraud. <br /><br />“We the People” wrote the Constitution, the fundamental law of the land. The original Constitution (Articles I thru VII) was effective March 4, 1789. Unlike Articles XIII, XVI, and XV, which specifically state: “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article,” the original Constitution has no such qualifier. Therefore, it follows that “We the People” have “standing” to enforce the provisions of the Constitution. <br /><br />It boggles my mind that anyone would argue that there is no provision or requirement for anyone to determine whether or not a person is eligible to the office of the President. This is simply bovine scatology. For those who suggest that there is no “controlling legal authority,” I say: Nonsense. The “controlling legal authority” is “We the People.” “We the People” includes various Secretaries of State and the Speaker of the House whose responsibility is to assure that candidates for office meet the eligibility requirements of the Constitution.<br /><br />Article XII states: “But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States.” Clearly, the Vice President must be a natural born citizen. It follows that the Speaker of the House, who is third in line to succeed to the office of President must also be a natural born citizen. It is in the realm of possibility that there is in the House today someone who is not a natural born citizen who could conceivably become Speaker of the House and not be eligible to the office of the President.Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05419395510376369167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-2049059484717102412010-04-27T00:36:49.729-04:002010-04-27T00:36:49.729-04:00the mother of 'bama was and is a purported com...the mother of 'bama was and is a purported communist with many links to communistic and anti-american persons. being such she may have intentionally gave birth to the child in the country of kenya and put the announcements in the newspapers with something as simple as a long distance phone call. people argue that there is no way that she could have known that one day this boy would one day have this controversy surrounding him. i beg to differ. parents groom their children to reach for certain heights. she may have intentionally traveled to the country of kenya in order to make sure the child was not born on the soil of the United States of America. as he grew up she taught him that he could be president one day. she also told him that if there was any doubt by the American People as to if he had been born on the soil of the United States of America, offer them a couple of birth announcements as fodder for their quest.roderickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16820962609186126127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-48532351210095452772010-04-26T18:13:26.885-04:002010-04-26T18:13:26.885-04:00See this link for the copy of this week's ad r...See this link for the copy of this week's ad running on page 5 of the Washington Times National Weekly edition.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/30538099/Citizen-v-natural-born-Citizen-It-s-Don-t-Ask-Don-t-Tell-20100426-Issue-Wash-Times-Natl-Wkly-pg-5" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/30538099/Citizen-v-natural-born-Citizen-It-s-Don-t-Ask-Don-t-Tell-20100426-Issue-Wash-Times-Natl-Wkly-pg-5</a><br /><br />To those of you who have contributed to make this print media national advertising campaign possible, thank you. <br /><br />All: Please stop by our fund raising page and make a donation to help the cause:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.protectourliberty.org" rel="nofollow">www.protectourliberty.org</a><br /><br />Synergy at work! If we all do a little to help with our time, talent, and treasure, together we can accomplish a lot!<br /><br />CDR Kerchnercfkerchnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941086863044892649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-13484968290677516582010-04-26T17:30:09.653-04:002010-04-26T17:30:09.653-04:00Mario,
This link that may provide a means to addr...Mario,<br /><br />This link that may provide a means to address the politicians and other officials who are or may be obstructing this case and the efforts in Hawaii pertaining to obtaining Obama's records via the HDOH and Hawaii's open records laws.<br /><br />http://www.abanet.org/rol/publications/asia_raca_prof_hutter_prosecuting.pdf<br /><br />see: C. Mail and Wire Fraud – 18 USC §§1341 (Mail), 1343 (Wire)<br /><br />esp ppg 4-5<br /><br />Incl:<br />3) With respect to the statutes’ use in public corruption cases, a fraudulent scheme includes “a scheme . . . to deprive another of the intangible right of honest services.” (18 USC §1346). It is this definition which makes the statutes a flexible tool for prosecutors to prosecute public corruption at the state or local level.<br /><br />It is quite evident that your case as well as TerriK's pursuit of documentation in Hawaii is being affected by people who wish to deprive us of "honest services" and otherwise deprive us of due process and the right to petition for a redress of grievances.<br /><br />This article also goes on to open the door to RICO and how it can be applied to the leadership of our major political parties, the members of the electoral college, the house and the senate.<br /><br />In any case, persistent and honest disclosure will bear fruit as more people begin to understand the issues. Also, as the people's awareness increases the honest and patriotic judges and prosecutors will be easier to find.<br /><br />Oh,and those remaining corrupt and opposed to the people and the constitution will be very easy to spot, too.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07865649369112264344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-79632105910797015882010-04-26T16:52:05.946-04:002010-04-26T16:52:05.946-04:00let us move forward:
Looks like another mythical ...let us move forward:<br /><br />Looks like another mythical ad hoc quote to throw mud on the wall as an attempt to confabuilate the eligibility issue (which, BTW, never arose in the Senate for Arthur ... or, perhaps, you can show us valid, accurate links to the Senate testimony)?jayjayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845961766550552240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-66533156260580830092010-04-26T16:50:58.575-04:002010-04-26T16:50:58.575-04:00Let us move forward,
First I searched on the word...Let us move forward,<br /><br />First I searched on the words "Chicago Tribune" "February 11, 1881" and only recieved 9 pages. Nothing with Chester A. Arthur. <br /><br />However I did search the original Hinman document How a British Subject Became President of the United States (which you can access at http://birthers.org/publius/HowaBritishSubjectBecamePresident.pdf ) and I see on page 89 that on January 7, 1881 Hinman wrote Senator Thomas F. Baynard a democrat from Delaware. On January 10, Baynard wrote back and said that the term natural born citizen as used in the Constitution and statues is held to be a native of the United States. Then he goes on to say that the naturalization of the father before the child reaches the age of 21 would be the naturalization of the child.<br /><br />I do beleive that Senator Baynard was refering to the phrase in the 14th Amendment "subject to the juristiction." In refereing to the naturalization of the child, he is infact echoing Sen Trumball who said, "The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means." <br /><br />Please see an excellent essay on this subject at http://americanchaos.wordpress.com/subject-to-the-jurisdiction-thereof/ <br /><br />If that is the case then we have a Democrat from Delaware in agreement with Attorney Puzzo. Interesting it seems a gaff even Joe Biden could make if he tried ;->Teo Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706954498728762711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-70791667927220134672010-04-26T16:25:35.881-04:002010-04-26T16:25:35.881-04:00Let us Move Forward,
Interesting. What was the Se...Let us Move Forward,<br /><br />Interesting. What was the Senator's name and who was interviewing him? Where and how did you find this arcane tidbit in history? Can you please provide a link URL to where you found that Chicago Tribune story dated February 11, 1881, or provide a scan or digital picture image of the paper copy source for that story.<br /><br />CDR Kerchnercfkerchnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941086863044892649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-76684159312292031122010-04-26T13:53:38.295-04:002010-04-26T13:53:38.295-04:00Teo Bear:
An example interview of Senator on the ...Teo Bear:<br /><br />An example interview of Senator on the matter can be found in the Chicago Tribune February 11, 1881.Let us move forwardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01549100708314458011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-78737273135999831712010-04-26T10:43:10.090-04:002010-04-26T10:43:10.090-04:00Well, I'm forever through with Glenn Beck and ...Well, I'm forever through with Glenn Beck and his crazy propaganda! He says that all illegals should pay a fine and be legalized, and "it’s not their fault that 'white people' won’t do construction, lawn mowing, cement, asphalt paving, housekeeping, drywall, and other JOBS".<br />Beck suckered in a million patriots last year with his show, and now he's turned on the U.S.A.<br />"We should open three Ellis Islands on the border"? That we need to open the flood gates for millions of new immigrants? I'VE HAD ENOUGH of HIS TRICKS and CON GAMES! What's happened to the news media in this country?!Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12254885881347846017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-24590837315150520062010-04-26T07:30:33.750-04:002010-04-26T07:30:33.750-04:00Let us move forward,
You wrote, "For Chester...Let us move forward,<br /><br />You wrote, "For Chester Arthur, ... the Senate (controlled by his party) refused to investigate when Hinman presented evidence indicating a reasonable doubt for Arthur's birth in the US." <br /><br />Could you please provide a citation on this, I am unaware of any "Request" by Hinman or his party to the Senate to investigate Arthur. Or are you saying that because the Senate did nothing, that this non-action is a defacto "Refusal?"Teo Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706954498728762711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-27251616871069057192010-04-26T01:32:10.747-04:002010-04-26T01:32:10.747-04:00Let Us Move Forward,
You said: "I have the...Let Us Move Forward, <br /><br />You said: "I have the same first impression of this phrase as I had on the initial read." <br /><br />Would you care to enlighten me what your read of this phrase is. I get a little annoyed at people who attempt to create some hidden argument without having the courage to state what the argument is. I have nothing to hide. Maybe you do. So let's have it big fellow.Mario Apuzzo, Esq. https://www.blogger.com/profile/12200858207095622181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-27928907848064021262010-04-25T23:09:26.119-04:002010-04-25T23:09:26.119-04:00Puzo1 said "Only an honest court of law can s...Puzo1 said "Only an honest court of law can set this matter straight."<br /><br /><br />If it is an honest court Kerchner et al v Obama & Congress et al are proven correct in their action.<br /><br />If you work in the media and aren't reporting on the facts of this issue as given here, you all are cowards. <br /><br />http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~texdick/obama.htmDixhistoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04131112648747290805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-16879129960519513392010-04-25T22:31:35.891-04:002010-04-25T22:31:35.891-04:00For Chester Arthur, the burden of proof was not pl...For Chester Arthur, the burden of proof was not placed on the Candidate beyond his word (he told many lies) nor his Party, and the Senate (controlled by his party) refused to investigate when Hinman presented evidence indicating a reasonable doubt for Arthur's birth in the US.<br /><br />Mr. Appuzo,<br />First thank you for pursuing this case and for this informative blog.<br /><br />Allow me to express my continuing concern with the wording of "(although they might have had political and racial reasons for not doing so);". On a reread, I have the same first impression of this phrase as I had on the initial read. I understand your explanation in your comment and agree with it. Maybe it's just me and others read it differently. However, caution seems advisable for any mention of "racial" these days, any use of that word should be perfectly clear in the context of a statement.<br /><br /><br />The Post and Email has a modern Certificate of Live Birth that is different from the COLB up for inspection.Let us move forwardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01549100708314458011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-87394146966613909842010-04-25T21:36:33.742-04:002010-04-25T21:36:33.742-04:00These number simply don`t add up,
58% for US Bir...These number simply don`t add up,<br /><br />58% for US Birth<br />23% for birth outside US<br />20% not use<br />----<br />101% Total<br /><br />Seems the NY Times got Joe Biden to do the math.Teo Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706954498728762711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-7239896545454086992010-04-25T20:46:25.258-04:002010-04-25T20:46:25.258-04:00Fukino could not have disclosed information from O...Fukino could not have disclosed information from Obama's vitals without his express permission without committing a misdemeanor crime by virtue of Hawaii's own laws.<br /><br />She says she is not guilty of misconduct. Therefore Obama had to have given permission for public disclosure.<br />Therefore Hawaii cannot fall back on privacy laws, since Obama already gave permission for public permission.<br /><br />If Obama didn't grant permission, why doesn't anyone contact the PROSECUTOR FOR HONOLULU and get Fukino arrested? She's a criminal no matter how you shake things out, because with Obama's permission which she says she had by virtue of her actions, she cannot deprive anyone of information from his vital documents.<br /><br />!Increduloushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10387112256966709689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-20043993865967003022010-04-25T20:06:10.369-04:002010-04-25T20:06:10.369-04:00Mario,
I'm completely conscious of this fact....Mario,<br /><br />I'm completely conscious of this fact. In fact, this is the problem; this is OUR struggle.<br /><br />We are fighting an unfair battle.<br /><br />You MUST UNDERSTAND that I agree with you but the fact remains that we need ways to defeat the corrupt system and people that are aiding the deception. I have given you one of these ways but haven't heard back.<br /><br />I want to be VERY REAL. I agree only a court of law can make his claims legal or verifiable in any meaningful way. HOWEVER, we need a remedy.<br /><br />In the world of TRUE AND LOGICAL arguments and positions, your legwork and arguments are commendable --- and without a doubt is correct, foundational, and UNDENIABLE.<br /><br />But if we can't get to the MERITS of a case due to innovations or whims such as "standing" what recourse is there? I am looking for something in case the stonewalling continues.<br /><br />Put another way, what reason do we have to believe a judge is just going to go against all the others and finally grant legitimacy to our argument? Against his self interest and the presumed threats of Washington and the Obama administration?<br /><br />I wish this weren't the case. We need MORE.<br /><br />I'm very happy that Arizona is on the horizon. I will be very very said if that doesn't come through.<br /><br />If it does, you and Charles will be vindicated and surely seen as what you are --- Patriots.<br /><br />That's why I've been so intent on following these matters up. I want to see you guys come out on top, because that's what I believe the founders would want, and because I believe in an America of the people, by the people, and for the people --- and the Constitution as its backbone.The Stackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11741360853135194177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-52560324287421971482010-04-25T19:52:21.464-04:002010-04-25T19:52:21.464-04:00Stacker,
You fail to be conscious of the require...Stacker, <br /><br />You fail to be conscious of the requirement that Obama has the burden to conclusively prove that he was born in Hawaii and that he is a "natural born Citizen." The People do not have the burden of proof to disprove those facts. <br /><br />The problem is that those who defense Obama have put the burden of proof on the People. This is the more shameful and corrupt when these same people have allowed Obama to hide from the People his life documents (birth, education, work, travel records) which the People need to prove what his enablers have unjustifiably placed upon the Peoples' shoulders. <br /><br />Only an honest court of law can set this matter straight.Mario Apuzzo, Esq. https://www.blogger.com/profile/12200858207095622181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-70725283256477064592010-04-25T19:13:10.420-04:002010-04-25T19:13:10.420-04:00Well said, Charles. I agree with you 100%.Well said, Charles. I agree with you 100%.The Stackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11741360853135194177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-30326724552646028102010-04-25T18:36:28.470-04:002010-04-25T18:36:28.470-04:00An excellent piece has been published at the Exami...An excellent piece has been published at the Examiner.com of Philadelphia.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d24-Obama-eligibility-a-birth-certificate-alone-does-not-prove-natural-born-citizenship?cid=examiner-email" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d24-Obama-eligibility-a-birth-certificate-alone-does-not-prove-natural-born-citizenship?cid=examiner-email</a><br /><br />CDR Kerchner<br /><a href="http://www.protectourliberty.org" rel="nofollow">www.protectourliberty.org</a>cfkerchnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941086863044892649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-11779909967997493292010-04-25T18:29:29.519-04:002010-04-25T18:29:29.519-04:00Stacker,
Obama's whole life is a fiction and ...Stacker,<br /><br />Obama's whole life is a fiction and a lie. He only has been able to get away with it because he has been groomed for the position with teleprompter schooling, has a ton of foreign provided money, thousands of lawyers, a country full of PC correct people who are deathly afraid of the "race card" he and his followers play, two complicit political parties who both put up candidates with questionable eligibility issues, and a 100% complicit and enabling press who wanted to elect him and now want to keep him in office.<br /><br />As to my thoughts on all this there is a ton of writings and speaking by me on this in the links in this blog including the two links that I posted in my prior response to you.<br /><br />Obama is a habitual liar and living in a fantasy life of his own making. The people around him are too. His narrative and story changes as new facts are uncovered. You can never win a debate with a liar until you get them in a court of law on the merits where hard facts speak for themselves and a bulls... bunch of lies and narratives that he has spun for himself about his early life will fail.<br /><br />CDR Kerchnercfkerchnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941086863044892649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-62287247458767735702010-04-25T18:11:42.596-04:002010-04-25T18:11:42.596-04:00Of course, I could be wrong. I have to say you hav...Of course, I could be wrong. I have to say you have sensical points.<br /><br />Why are the documents so differing, then?<br /><br />Did you hear about the idea?<br /><br />I am in your area, actually, Charles, right in your backyard, as it turns out.<br /><br />Here's my question Charles:<br /><br />If what you say is true, the presumably false registration and incomplete filing, what is the reason for not just saying this in 2005 or so? If Hawaii accepts it, they accept it, period. There's not much we can do without a smoking gun or official from Kenya with BC evidence there.<br /><br />Also, why lie about Kapiolani or let others lie FOR YOU about Kapiolani? It doesn't make sense.<br /><br />I think if you come out and say it early and others can't prove you weren't born Hawaii, you are fine.<br /><br />Yet, that never happened. There's something more. I'd like to hear what you think about these things.The Stackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11741360853135194177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-12400009368019873102010-04-25T18:00:44.131-04:002010-04-25T18:00:44.131-04:00Despite all the polls not a single one ask the per...Despite all the polls not a single one ask the pertinent question, What do you believe is a natural born citizen ? The ask, Do you believe the constitution must be upheld as written even though you may not agree with it ? And then, If a person sworn to uphold the constitution does not make an effort do so when evidence is produced that indicates it may be or has been violated, are they commiting a crime ?<br /><br />I bet the answers would be sufficient to determine the percentage of people in this country that need to be discounted as a matter of determining the will of the American public. It is irrational to count those who form an opinion at odds with the law. You have a right to be wrong but not to be wrong and expect your opinion to carry any weight.A penhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06519441140048530323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-77294576962201599922010-04-25T17:59:14.991-04:002010-04-25T17:59:14.991-04:00Stacker,
That theory/twist does not make sense wi...Stacker,<br /><br />That theory/twist does not make sense with what we know thus far. The announcements in the newspapers in 1961 were placed by the state in Health Bureau Statistics section of the announcements. Those insertions were based on the filing/registration of a birth with the Health Department. Thus there was some filing done to the Health Department in 1961 registering a birth in Hawaii. I and many now just don't believe that Obama was physically born in Hawaii and instead his maternal grandma falsely registered him as being born there to get her new born grandson U.S. Citizenship. Thus I believe a vital record existed in Hawaii since 1961 that his birth was registered there and "filed". But we don't know if it was ever completed and "accepted" by the state. And we don't know what evidence was provided to the state that he was born in Hawaii by the person who registered it. I think it will simply state born at home with no witnesses. And thus there is no further independent corroborating evidence that he really was born in Hawaii. I don't believe he was. Registered there yes. Born there no. <br /><br /><a href="http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/04/newspaper-birth-announcement-ads-in.html" rel="nofollow">http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/04/newspaper-birth-announcement-ads-in.html</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZpwcRf3FQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZpwcRf3FQ</a><br /><br />The false registration came first and the announcements placed by the state came 2nd as a result of that false registration.<br /><br />CDR Kerchner<br />Pennsylvania<br /><a href="http://www.protectourliberty.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.protectourliberty.org</a>cfkerchnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941086863044892649noreply@blogger.com