tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post8792099265296290227..comments2024-03-02T14:24:03.076-05:00Comments on Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers: Ad: Obama Not Born in Hawaii per Kenyan Assy Mbrs James Orengo and Bonny Khalwale and Hawaii 2008 Elections Office Official Tim Adams - 04Apr2011Mario Apuzzo, Esq. http://www.blogger.com/profile/12200858207095622181noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-1691789261561751932012-03-07T21:48:28.462-05:002012-03-07T21:48:28.462-05:00This whole thing is a lunatic invention made of li...This whole thing is a lunatic invention made of lies and fantasies.Mike1776https://www.blogger.com/profile/04143467372293686701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-74891702907213120552011-04-15T20:58:28.799-04:002011-04-15T20:58:28.799-04:00Obama's sudden visit to Hawaii in the middle o...Obama's sudden visit to Hawaii in the middle of the election campaign?<br /><br />Hawaiian Revised Statutes<br /><br />§338-6 Local agent to prepare birth certificate. (a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as provided in section 338-5 is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local agent of the department of health shall SECURE THE NECESSARY INFORMATION FROM ANY PERSON HAVING KNOWLEDGE OF THE BIRTH AND PREPARE AND FILE THE CERTIFICATE. <br /><br /> (b) The department shall prescribe the time within which A SUPPLEMENTARY REPORT FURNISHING INFORMATION OMITTED ON THE ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE MAY BE RETURNED FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMPLETING THE CERTIFICATE. CERTIFICATES OF BIRTH COMPLETED BY A SUPPLEMENTARY REPORT SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED AS "DELAYED" OR "ALTERED". [L 1949, c 327, §10; RL 1955, §57-9; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-6]MichaelNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05590753165515194315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-22117381298313009892011-04-15T19:06:50.653-04:002011-04-15T19:06:50.653-04:00http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/14/long-form-b...http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/14/long-form-birth-certificates-were-available-until-trump-trumped-obama/Safari Through The Word Ministrieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11619117680709075406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-70134792946527174822011-04-15T18:11:57.948-04:002011-04-15T18:11:57.948-04:00Hawaiian Revised Statutes
§338-11 Form of certif...Hawaiian Revised Statutes<br /><br />§338-11 Form of certificates. The forms of certificates shall include as a minimum the items required by the respective standard certificates as recommended by the Public Health Service, National Center for Health Statistics, subject to approval of and modification by the department of health. In addition, the forms of death certificates shall require the individual's social security number. The form and use of the certificates shall be subject to sections 338-16 to 338-18. [L 1949, c 327, §15; RL 1955, §57-14; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-11; am L 1997, c 293, §17]MichaelNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05590753165515194315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-19362623254058496962011-04-13T21:38:41.003-04:002011-04-13T21:38:41.003-04:00Mick,
I would certainly hope that Rubio's par...Mick,<br /><br />I would certainly hope that Rubio's parents naturalized in the 12 years they were in the US prior to Rubio's, and I do think that is very likely. But as you said, this needs to be verified, especially with Rubio's apparent elusiveness on this topic.<br /><br />What is your opinion of Rubio's eligibility should it turn out that his parents were stateless in 1971?Texomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02092015557772704679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-18608988623273970572011-04-12T16:40:49.106-04:002011-04-12T16:40:49.106-04:00@Texoma,
Marco Rubio's parents were present in...@Texoma,<br />Marco Rubio's parents were present in the US for 12 years prior to his birth. Judging by the fact that Cubans get ecpedited preference in US naturalization, they were probably naturalized prior to Marco's birth. That would certainly need to be verified.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-56724818085925098982011-04-12T02:47:52.661-04:002011-04-12T02:47:52.661-04:00We have a problem, they are fiddling the birth cer...We have a problem, they are fiddling the birth certificate requirements for a passport<br /><br />http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_5401.html<br /><br />New Requirement for U.S. Birth Certificates <br />Updated March 23, 2011<br />New U.S. Birth Certificate Requirement<br />Beginning April 1, 2011, the U.S. Department of State will require the full names of the applicant’s parent(s) to be listed on all certified birth certificates to be considered as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for all passport applicants, regardless of age. Certified birth certificates missing this information will not be acceptable as evidence of citizenship. This will not affect applications already in-process that have been submitted or accepted before the effective date.<br /><br />For more information, see 22 CFR 51.42(a).<br />In addition to this requirement, certified copies of birth certificates must also include the following information to be considered acceptable primary evidence of U.S. citizenship:<br />Full name of the applicant<br />Date of birth<br />Place of birth<br />Raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal of issuing authority<br />Registrar’s signature<br />The date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office (must be within one year)MichaelNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05590753165515194315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-32498818143312731592011-04-11T23:28:33.075-04:002011-04-11T23:28:33.075-04:00Maya Soetoro gave a recent interview which can be ...Maya Soetoro gave a recent interview which can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMBweS-uKaY<br /><br />What is amazing is that after almost 3 years of Obama's birthplace issue being debated, she was not able to provide any new evidence of an Obama Hawaiian birth. She simply repeated the worn out Hawaii hearsay stuff that we have all heard about and offered nothing new.Mario Apuzzo, Esq. https://www.blogger.com/profile/12200858207095622181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-36018157398025494772011-04-11T22:52:35.977-04:002011-04-11T22:52:35.977-04:00zachjonesishome,
Good to hear that you proposed a...zachjonesishome,<br /><br />Good to hear that you proposed a Trump declatory judgement as a tactic to hopefully get the Supreme Court to rule that he was eligible due to his birth in the US to two US citizen parents.<br /><br />With his mother being a naturalized citizen, I would hope that the Supreme Court would look to a precedent case, such as that of Perkins v. Elg (1939). In that case, Marie Elg was declared to be a natural born citizen. She was born in the US to two naturalized US citizens.Texomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02092015557772704679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-78952482369499499922011-04-11T22:48:40.630-04:002011-04-11T22:48:40.630-04:00Linda,
So what is your take on the eligibility of...Linda,<br /><br />So what is your take on the eligibility of Marco Rubio, who was born on US soil, should it turn out that his parents were stateless at the time of his birth?Texomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02092015557772704679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-8244961882523434732011-04-11T21:50:34.885-04:002011-04-11T21:50:34.885-04:00Robert,
There are many problems with the Fukino ...Robert, <br /><br />There are many problems with the Fukino alleged statements in the MSNBC article. I will address it tomorrow during the Peter Boyle Radio Show starting at 9:00 a.m. Eastern. See the post at this blog.Mario Apuzzo, Esq. https://www.blogger.com/profile/12200858207095622181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-58033666237186000192011-04-11T21:36:36.478-04:002011-04-11T21:36:36.478-04:00There have been 10,129 replies to the msnbc's ...There have been 10,129 replies to the msnbc's article claiming that Fukino has admitted to their investigative reporter that she has seen his long-form bc complete with the signature of the doctor who delivered Obama. It is obviously gaining widespread attention.<br /><br />Has anyone confirmed this report with Fukino herself? I'd like to see a statement by her detailing what she had said to their reporter.<br /><br />Anyone buying it?Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00506386638130850542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-3488981891715419522011-04-11T01:36:36.614-04:002011-04-11T01:36:36.614-04:00Texhoma,
McCain is a citizen per section 217of Va...Texhoma,<br /><br />McCain is a citizen per section 217of Vattel, children born in the armies of the state.<br /><br />If Panama was a true "jus sanguinis" citizenship state, the only way a child could gain it at adulthood is through naturalization & the right of expatriation. Anything otherwise indicates that they do lay some claim to the child at birth, that they do have some sort of the feudal "jus soli" as part of their citizenship laws pertaining to non-military alien residents. <br /><br />The easiest test of natural born is birth on soil to parents who are citizens, but according to the laws of nations, it is not the only test. If the citizenship laws of the foreign country are true "jus sanguinis" common law, then a child born there can never become a citizen because of a special privilege extended to them because of that birth. They have to absolutely & unequivically be recognized as an alien to the government no matter what.<br /><br />The point of statelessness was not a conclusion of mine. It came from studying SCOTUS opinions as well as Law reviews from Harvard & Michigan from the 20th century that referred back to the Buchanan administration, the 14th Amendment & the Expatriation Act that defined the US citizenship doctrine of "exclusive allegiance".Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09930759217453160396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-57100986606763500902011-04-10T14:11:24.480-04:002011-04-10T14:11:24.480-04:00Texoma said...
zachjonesishome,
Assuming that yo...Texoma said... <br />zachjonesishome,<br /><br />Assuming that you know that Trump is natural born citizen, would your suggestion of a declatory judgement on his part be a tactic to get a discussion on this matter in the courts and the media?<br /><br /><br />------<br />Absolutely! What would be the effect if a court said something like this:<br />Yes, Mr. Trump you are eligible because both of your parents were citizens at the time of your birth.<br /><br />Hello Obama and his father who was never naturalized.<br /><br />However, the risk is that a court might say that they are not worried about the citizenship of your parents. Given the lenghts the media, politicians, and judges have gone to protect Obama, anything is possible. <br /><br />It would be in the news for months however driving Obama's numbers down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-22142846972604133042011-04-10T13:26:39.521-04:002011-04-10T13:26:39.521-04:00NEWS FLASH, aAccording to the msnbc article posted...NEWS FLASH, aAccording to the msnbc article posted today:<br /><br />http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/<br /><br />Fukino has now admitted that:<br /><br />Obama's long form birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. She also found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files.<br /><br />Everyone should read the article.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00506386638130850542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-16711443941278466542011-04-10T13:17:18.301-04:002011-04-10T13:17:18.301-04:00To Linda,
You bring up an interesting question re...To Linda,<br /><br />You bring up an interesting question regarding the citizenship of a child born in the US to parents who are “stateless” – having citizenship in no country. I had a recent blog conversation with Mario on this, but I don’t recall coming to any conclusions.<br /><br />My question was related to Marco Rubio. His parents fled Cuba in 1959 and he was born in Florida in 1971. For having fled Cuba and abandoning the Cuban nation, what if his parents had their Cuban citizenship removed by Cuba, and what if they then lived in the US without US citizenship and then did not become US citizens until after 1971? <br /><br />In the above scenario, would Marco Rubio be eligible to be President, given that he was born with no foreign allegiance, given that he could not have gotten Cuban citizenship from his parents? He would have been born only with allegiance to the US based upon jus soli.<br /><br />Regarding McCain, you are right that he was born with no foreign allegiance since Panama did not grant citizenship to children born in Panama to foreign-citizen parents. Panama did grant McCain an option to become a Panamanian citizen at age 21, but this is not citizenship at birth. <br /><br />Regarding Panama’s jurisdiction of military bases, Panama was the sovereign of the Canal Zone, including the land within the Canal Zone used by our military bases. This evidenced by the fact that the US paid Panama rent each year for use of all the land that comprised the Canal Zone. If we were the sovereign, we would not have been paying rent to anyone.Texomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02092015557772704679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-16320549290207772322011-04-10T10:49:22.833-04:002011-04-10T10:49:22.833-04:00"In his book “Deconstructing Obama,” Jack Cas..."In his book “Deconstructing Obama,” Jack Cashill concludes that Obama was likely born in Hawaii, but that his parents were probably either communist pornographer, and pedophile, Frank Marshall Davis, and Stanley Ann Dunham—or..."<br />http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35335<br /><br />Puhleeeze, Mr Corsi, could you investigate the possible legal consequences of Soetoro <br />having run under a false name but <br />having a citizen father, and <br />a Communist one to boot (with sole allegiance to the Soviet Union)Vincent Jappihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10040235346177304897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-79343118170790893782011-04-10T10:09:21.650-04:002011-04-10T10:09:21.650-04:00For Those Wishing to Send Information to Donald Tr...For Those Wishing to Send Information to Donald Trump:<br />Pleas read the following link:<br />http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/09/for-those-wishing-to-send-information-to-donald-trump/Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01793622722554168489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-33188352097118028152011-04-10T00:07:04.399-04:002011-04-10T00:07:04.399-04:00Mario,
Have you thought of writing an article usi...Mario,<br /><br />Have you thought of writing an article using the statelessness method?<br /><br />A child born to a foreigner on US soil could never be left stateless if US citizenship was denied because at birth, that child owed allegiance to, and was considered a member in, a foreign society. On the other hand, a natural born citizen owed exclusive allegiance to the US at birth, no other country could lay claim to the child, therefore if denied US citizenship, the child would truly be left stateless.<br /><br />Soil does come in per treaties & nationality laws of other countries per the law of nations, but the true tie is jus sanguinis. Take Romney, some say his father born in Mexico had Mexican citizenship. This is not true. At the time of his birth, Mexico did not recognize children born to foreigners on their soil as citizens. These children were 100% aliens to the Mexican government. Same for McCain, being born in the armies of the state abroad, he owed no allegiance to Panama because under the law of nations, Panama did not have jurisdiction over the military and their families. They did however, have jurisdiction over the civilian railroad workers there building the canal.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09930759217453160396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-36983578985242431702011-04-09T23:29:21.240-04:002011-04-09T23:29:21.240-04:00What do you think of this I wrote:
URGENT URGENT
...What do you think of this I wrote:<br /><br />URGENT URGENT<br /><br />I have no direct access to Donald Trump or any of his staff. I have no direct access to Rush Limbaugh, but I do know several of his biggest monetary supporters. I have passed this to them to forward along. Please post this wherever you can and use any contacts you have to forward in the right direction.<br /><br />Yes, it could have been longer and more complete. But we must start with something simple and dramatic to get their attention. Details can come next.<br /><br />The Obama fraud — Why we are frustrated — Further to your conversation with a caller whereby it was insinuated that you were slow to come to this issue.<br /><br />Yes, we understand that you were and are ahead of others in the Media in at least touching on this issue. But we are very frustrated that no one, yourself included, came even remotely close to addressing this issue with the vigor it deserves.<br /><br />You and Donald Trump, still, have just tickled the edges of this monumental fraud and constitutional crisis. This is likely the biggest con, in the biggest leader, in the biggest nation in the history of the planet. And it gets second or third billing, or no billing at all.<br /><br />There are thousands of us, tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands or millions – highly educated professionals (lawyers, doctors, teachers, scientists, engineers) as well as industrious hard workers – who have quite thoroughly understood this issue and it’s depths and nuances since the middle of 2008. But nobody would listen to us. We have no bully pulpit. We understand that the liberal MSM would ignore us. But we are frustrated that our congressmen ignored us. We are frustrated that conservative spokesmen, such as yourself, ignored us. We sent letters and evidence, we sent millions of emails, we called into your broadcasts, and many others. We are uniformly rebuffed and discourteously rejected by the call screeners.<br /><br />We tried to get the situation investigated BEFORE the 2008 election. Back when it could have done some real good. Nobody listened! Did we expect anyone to simply believe us hook, line, and sinker? Of course not, but we rightly expected people such as yourself and our congressmen to spend at least a LITTLE effort in investigating what we knew.<br /><br />We know all about all the court cases. We participated in them. What do you (or Donald Trump) know about them? Do you know for instance that the merits of our case have never been heard? Ever! All cases have been dismissed for lack of jurisdiction or standing. How can “We The People” lack jurisdiction or standing to enforce our own constitution? This in itself is as big a problem as the Obama Crisis itself. Our courts have failed to provide any sort of process or redress. This is unacceptable.<br /><br />Do you know that there is at least one high-profile political prisoner? A highly respected and decorated Army Officer is currently behind bars for no more than simply asking THE question. Is that acceptable in a constitutional republic?<br /><br />There are credible sources who understand all this. Professional people who are way ahead of you and Donald Trump. Please don’t start from scratch and replow all that has been known for over two years. Seek out these people – or let them get through and talk to you.<br /><br />Please. For the sake of our country and our constitution.Carlylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371651852897376905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-63572441308849693012011-04-09T22:26:37.397-04:002011-04-09T22:26:37.397-04:00It is really hillarious seeing the Obots worrying ...It is really hillarious seeing the Obots worrying about the type of birth certificate Arizona is asking for in its proposed vetting and eligibility statute rather than worrying about whether any presidential candidate is a "natural born Citizen."Mario Apuzzo, Esq. https://www.blogger.com/profile/12200858207095622181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-79703847988324592392011-04-09T19:13:38.302-04:002011-04-09T19:13:38.302-04:00Stephen Thorburn says:
Friday, April 8, 2011 at 11...Stephen Thorburn says:<br />Friday, April 8, 2011 at 11:21 PM<br /><br />If two citizen parents were not required for ‘Natural Born Citizen’ status then there is no possible logical reason for the adoption clause in Article 2 Section 1. All the founders were charter citizens with non-citizen parents because the country did not exist when their parents gave birth to them. And there were many citizens at that time who were born on U.S. soil but not to citizen parents for the same obvious reason. The only distinguishable difference between the “citizens at the time” and a “natural born citizen” is the citizenship of the parents at the time of birth. The founders knew it would take a generation to produce the first ‘Natural Born Citizen’ born on U.S. soil from parents who were citizens to produce a candidate free from any direct foreign birthright allegiances. The founders needed to include the charter citizens in order to have Presidential candidates (themselves) until a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ could be available for candidacy. At the time of the adoption there were only two groups of charter citizens available for the candidate pool…native born citizens (born on U.S. soil to non-citizen parents) and naturalized citizens (those born abroad). If either of these groups were eligible to hold office as President then there would be no reason for the adoption clause nor would there be a need to distinguish ‘Natural Born Citizens’. and to those who would suggest that the adoption clause was because the ‘soil’ was British before the adoption and that it was strictly a matter of jus soli, the article would read ‘no person except a native born citizen’ instead of ‘no person except a natural born citizen’ as it was well understood and a part of the language of the day to regard a person born on the soil a native born citizen.<br />http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/08/attendee-at-trump-meeting-it-couldnt-have-gone-any-better/MichaelNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05590753165515194315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-38622106472632488272011-04-09T17:20:53.556-04:002011-04-09T17:20:53.556-04:00back in the day...when the brit's common law w...back in the day...when the brit's common law was rejected and we drew up our constitution...did the british common law even call its people "citizens"...<br /><br />the reason for that...the british were recognized as subjects of the crown...i wonder if the term citizen actually was present under thier laws in the 1770's when the US Revolution occured...and beyond...the entire notion of natural citizenship itself...as it exists in The Law of Nations...which has to be translated from its original French Publications...because the two concepts are direct contradictions...<br /><br />the concept below from the idea and general principals in the law of nations violate the entire concept of british common law...where all of the people are subjects to and of the (bearer of the) crown...a concept that most certainly would have to have been an aboration to the british empire...as the crown was the creator of laws and sovreign power of the nation;<br /><br />"As men are subject to the laws of nature, — and as their union in civil society cannot have exempted them from the obligation to observe those laws, since by that union they do not cease to be men, — the entire nation, whose common will is but the result of the united wills of the citizens, remains subject to the laws of nature, and is bound to respect them in all her proceedings. And since right arises from obligation, as we have just observed (§3), the nation possesses also the same rights which nature has conferred upon men in order to enable them to perform their duties"jshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03556528525557443583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-32753324466982728892011-04-09T16:45:51.021-04:002011-04-09T16:45:51.021-04:00yu need trump..besides..without the proper educati...yu need trump..besides..without the proper education...that boy is going to embarrass us all...jshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03556528525557443583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7466841558189356289.post-3344100158937521022011-04-09T14:33:36.724-04:002011-04-09T14:33:36.724-04:00zachjonesishome,
Assuming that you know that Trum...zachjonesishome,<br /><br />Assuming that you know that Trump is natural born citizen, would your suggestion of a declatory judgement on his part be a tactic to get a discussion on this matter in the courts and the media?<br /><br />If not, then please know that Donald Trump does not need to file a declaratory judgement regarding his natural born citizen status on account of his mother being a naturalized citizen. Both of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth in NY, and so Donald Trump is a natural born citizen (born in the country to citizen parents).<br /><br />The 1939 US Supreme Court case of Perkins v. Elg made it clear that the US-born child of naturalized citizen parents was a natural born citizen. <br /><br />Elg was born in NY in 1907 to Swedish immigrant parents who naturalized in 1906. Hence, Elg was born in the US to US citizen parents, and was a natural born citizen. The Supreme Court affirmed this.Texomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02092015557772704679noreply@blogger.com