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Monday, July 2, 2012

Purpura and Moran File Petition for Certification With the NJ Supreme Court in Obama NJ Ballot Challenge




       Purpura and Moran File Petition for Certification With the NJ
                    Supreme Court in Obama NJ Ballot Challenge

By Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
July 2, 2012





Today, I filed on behalf of my clients, Nicholas E. Purpura and Theodore T. Moran, a Petition for Certification with the New Jersey Supreme Court.  The petition may be read here:  

In the petition, we argue that the Administrative Law Judge, whose opinion was adopted by the Secretary of State and affirmed by the Appellate Division, erred in allowing candidate Barack Obama to be placed on the ballot for the primary and general election and to run for office in New Jersey without providing any evidence to the New Jersey Secretary of State showing his identity or where he was born, when challenged to do so. 

We argue that, in light of Obama conceding that the State of New Jersey has no evidence of his identity or place of birth, including the 2011 internet image of his alleged birth certificate, the ALJ had absolutely no evidence before him upon which to base his finding that Obama was born in Hawaii.    

We also argue that the ALJ misapplied Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, the Fourteenth Amendment, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875), and United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), all which he used to find that Obama is a “natural born Citizen.”  Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 provides that if one was born before the adoption of the Constitution, one could be a “Citizen of the United States” and be eligible to be President.  But it also provides that for all those born after the adoption of the Constitution, one must be a “natural born Citizen” to be eligible to be President.  That means that today, anybody who is just a “citizen of the United States” and not a “natural born Citizen” is not eligible to be President. 

The Founders and Framers had good reason for including the “natural born Citizen” clause into the Constitution and requiring that future Presidents have that birth status. St. George Tucker tells us why the Founders and Framers used the “natural born Citizen” clause as a requirement of presidential eligibility:   

“That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted,) is a happy means of security against foreign influence, which, wherever it is capable of being exerted, is to be dreaded more than the plague. The admission of foreigners into our councils, consequently, cannot be too much guarded against; their total exclusion from a station to which foreign nations have been accustomed to, attach ideas of sovereign power, sacredness of character, and hereditary right, is a measure of the most consummate policy and wisdom.”  

George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries: with Notes of Reference to the Constitution and Laws of the Federal Government of the United States and of  The Commonwealth of Virginia (1803) (Philadelphia: published by William Young Birch and Abraham Small; Robert Carter, Printer, 1803),  http://constitution.org/tb/tb2.htm .  So we can see that the Founders and Framers used the “natural born Citizen” clause as a national security measure designed to make sure that the President worked only in the best interest of the United States and its republican principles and of no other nation.  It was also put in place to keep all vestiges of monarchial rule and influence out of the United States.  

The Fourteenth Amendment by its clear text gives the status of a “citizen of the United States” to those born or naturalized in the United States and “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”  It does not give anyone the status of a “natural born Citizen.”  When the Founders and Framers inserted the “natural born Citizen” clause in the Constitution, there was no Fourteenth Amendment.  Hence, they surely did not write the clause into the Constitution having in mind any citizenship standard that is contained in the Fourteenth Amendment.  And there does not exist any evidence that the Fourteenth Amendment repealed or amended the Founders’ and Framers’ definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen.”  Hence, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 and the Fourteenth Amendment stand as two separate and distinct constitutional provisions which provide two different constitutional citizenship standards.  

Again, Minor v. Happersett confirmed the American “common-law” definition of a “natural-born citizen,” which Minor said the Founders and Framers were familiar with and used when they wrote the “natural born Citizen” clause. That definition is a child “born in a country of parents who were its citizens.”  Id. at 167-68.  Minor left open the question of whether a child born “within the jurisdiction”  of the United States to alien parents is a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment.  As we have seen, this is a different standard as that which applies to defining a “natural born Citizen.” 

Wong Kim Ark answered the single question left open by Minor.  It held that Wong, born in the United States to domiciled and resident alien parents who were neither diplomats nor military invaders was born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States and therefore a “citizen of the United States” from the moment of birth.  The Court’s single task was to interpret and apply the Fourteenth Amendment, not Article II, Section 1, Clause 5.  The Court found that Wong’s parents being domiciled and residents (not “citizens”) was enough to give jurisdiction to the United States over them and Wong when Wong was born.  Again, since the Fourteenth Amendment neither repealed nor amended Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 “natural born Citizen” clause, Wong defined a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment, not a “natural born Citizen” under Article II.  In fact, Wong’s specific holding uses the phrase “citizen of the United States,” not “natural born Citizen.”  Hence, using that amendment to find someone a “citizen of the United States,” regardless of whether that person is a “citizen” from the moment of birth, has no direct bearing on the definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen.”  After all, Article II says “natural born Citizen,” not “born Citizen,” and is applied for presidential eligibility.  What the Fourteenth Amendment can do with reference to a “natural born Citizen” is increase the pool of parents who become “citizens of the United States” and give birth to “natural born Citizens.”   

The clause “natural born Citizen” is a word of art, an idiom, a unitary clause, which has a very special meaning as confirmed by Minor.  It is constitutional error to conflate and confound a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment with a “natural born Citizen” under Article II.  A “natural born Citizen,” being the standard for the President and the Commander in Chief of the Military, requires allegiance and citizenship only to the United States from the moment of birth.  A Fourteenth Amendment “citizen of the United States” from birth does not have the same allegiance requirement and can even be born with dual and conflicting allegiances, a condition which the Founders and Framers did not permit future Presidents and Commanders to have when born.  They were very specific as is evident from the plain text of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, that after the adoption of the Constitution, one had to be a “natural born Citizen,” and not just a “Citizen of the United States.”      

There is no other U.S. Supreme Court case that has changed the meaning of a “natural born Citizen” as confirmed by Minor.  That definition, which is the definition from the Founding, it therefore the supreme law of the land and stands today until amended by Constitutional amendment.  And that definition is  a child “born in a country of parents who were its citizens.”  

We know that candidate Barack Obama was not born to “citizen” parents.  His father was a British/Kenyan citizen who never became a “citizen of the United States.”  Obama, even if born in Hawaii, cannot be a “natural born Citizen.”  Because his father was not a U.S. citizen when Obama was born, Obama, who wants to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military, while he could have been born a “citizen of the United States” if born in Hawaii, was also born in full allegiance and citizenship of Great Britain and at age two also of Kenya.  He was not born within the full and complete allegiance of the United States, an indispensable birth condition for one wanting to be President and Commander of the Military.  Not being a “natural born Citizen,” he is not eligible to be elected President.  See David Ramsay, A Dissertation on the Manners of Acquiring the Character and Privileges of a Citizen (1789) (citizenship “as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776….” Id. at 6; St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries: with Notes of Reference to the Constitution and Laws of the Federal Government of the United States and of  The Commonwealth of Virginia (1803) (Philadelphia: published by William Young Birch and Abraham Small; Robert Carter, Printer, 1803),  http://constitution.org/tb/tb2.htm   (“These civil rights [which included the right to be elected President] may be inherited, or acquired, in the United States: they are acquired by a foreigner who is naturalized; they are inherited by all whose parents, at the time of their birth, were citizens”).    

I will update this post as circumstances warrant.    

Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
July 2, 2012
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Robert said...

Hawaii's privacy laws are apparently so stringent that even they don't know what records they actually have, how they got them, or where they're kept. Well, they think they know where they're kept, but no one is allowed to look at them - not even the Governor, the President, or even someone pretending to be the President.

If anyone born in Hawaii wishes documentation of his birth his best hope is that someone kept the local newspapers. If anything else is needed it will have to be pieced together on a computer or etch-a-sketch.

Fortunately, even though this may take 10 to 18 months, Hawaii will certify whatever is produced. It is, after all, a private certificate with private information. Every individual has a right to make it say whatever he wishes.

Personal privacy, especially when involving something as sensitive as a birth certificate, is more important to Hawaii than the security of our nation, our Constitution or any agreements that they may have made when joining our Constitutional Republic to "provide for the common defense" and some other silly stuff.

By the way, in the event that you someday visit Hawaii there should not be any reason to bring any identification? Drivers license, passport, social security cards, insurance papers, etc. - these documents contain very private and personal information. Obviously no one in Hawaii would ever be rude enough to ask to see yours. And, even if they did, they would never expect you to really produce them. Hint: just assume they're joking and laugh along so you don't appear too much a tourist.

Nor does Hawaii require doctors, lawyers, teachers, police or other professionals to ever present their certifications or licenses to practice? Too personal.

Oh, of course Hawaiians can print up anything they like, which they sometimes will do if they think it will make you feel better.

This may all seem a bit unusual for those of us born on the continent or in one of the 7 secret states. So, please let me explain.

It's really very simple and maybe even a bit humorous. Well, now that the initial incident has long passed. We all know how time fortunately heals.

Anyway, it all goes back to the Hawaiian DPS. When Hawaii became a state there was a massive rush to the DPS so that the new citizens could update their drivers licenses reflecting and celebrating their newly acquired statehood.

Unfortunately, and as an unkind fate would have it, the first Hawaiian DPS photographer got the job because of a family connection. Although he had worked as a jerk at an ice cream parlor he had no previous photographic experience. Further compounding his problems was that he was very near sighted in his left eye and had an acute astigmatism in his right eye.

Well, it was only 4 to 6 weeks after the first pictures were taken when the citizens received their new and highly anticipated drivers licenses in the mail.

Local historians tell us the shock of those pictures was just too much. If you've ever had a drivers license photo that was less than "flattering" just imagine it being 100 times worse.

Anyway, the public and individual embarrassment was so far over the top that the whole state almost went into an apoplectic shock.

To avoid that ever happening again it has become taboo to ask anyone for any personal documentation. It's just too embarrassing and too risky.

Oh, the photographer? He's been promoted to the DOH.

cfkerchner said...

Obama is the "Big Lie" Propaganda Technique in Action!
http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/the-big-lie-obama-is-the-living-example-and-personification-of-the-big-lie-propaganda-technique-obama-is-the-big-lie-by-cdr-kerchner-ret/

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
ProtectOurLiberty.org

Carlyle said...

Something relevant to document forgery for you all to chew on.

I am deeply qualified to be expert on electronic documents and their preparation and distribution. I have known since day 1 that the LFBC was fabricated. I don't doubt the additional details Arpaiao and Zullo have provided.

As you may recall, I asked a bunch of hard questions not long ago about HOW and WHY and WHO. Here is more startling information.

Not only is the LFBC a forgery, it is a particularly bad one. It is almost as if a child drew a $20 bill with a crayon and tried to pass it. It is laughably and undeniably a counterfeit.

Just one 'for example' will suffice. All the stuff about layers, and other residue of fabrication is ridiculous. Not that it is untrue, but in that it is so unnecessary. After such a fabrication, all you have to do is print it out on actual paper. Then photograph or scan in that paper. Then all the history and evidence goes completely away. Further, so does almost all the evidence of cutting and pasting words and letters from place to place - i.e. the tell-a-tale identical pixel formations.

It only would take a couple of minutes to add this extra step. Why didn't they do that? Did they really think that of all the millions of readers (and a lot of hostile ones just looking for anomalies) that no one would notice?

It is almost like they wanted us to notice. Almost like this was a purposeful and malicious diversion to occupy us from researching and unearthing some even greater mystery.

What is going on?????????????

cfkerchner said...

@Carlyle: Or someone in IT in the White House and in the know/loop in handling the PDF had had enough of Obama deceiving and and lying and deliberately uploaded the raw, unflattened version. Who knows maybe a deep cover CIA agent or just someone who finally sees the light and wants Obama exposed. Under this scenario, they are probably still in shock that the major news media and Congress is still not covering this and investigating crimes that were committed on government property servers in the White House in making and uploading that forged LFBC to White House Gov website.

Some day we will know the truth about Obama's true legal identity and also why such a crude and obvious forgery got uploaded to the Gov website and then Obama proudly stood there at the podium and claimed it as his own.

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
ProtectOurLiberty.org

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

Carlyle,

At present, it does not matter what the motive can be for Obama for putting out a forged birth certificate. The only point that matters is that it is forged and he has some explaining to do. If there is something else going on, let him explain it.

Also, as I have stated from the beginning of this saga, it does not matter where Obama was born. Minor clearly confirmed the long-standing “common-law” definition of a "natural-born citizen." It said that a child born in a country to parents who were “citizens” of that country was not only a “citizen,” but a “natural-born citizen.” Minor said that this definition was the definition with which the Founders and Framers were familiar.

Minor then said that it was not deciding whether a child “born within the jurisdiction” to alien parents was a "citizen of the United States" under the Fourteenth Amendment. It did not call that child a potential "natural-born citizen." It only called him a “citizen.” Minor also said that “some authorities” maintained that such a child was a “citizen.” It did not say that some Founders and Framers, under that same “common-law” that defined a “natural-born citizen,” considered that child a “citizen,” let alone a “natural-born citizen.” The Court even added that “there have been doubts” whether that child was, in fact, a “citizen” at all.

Being confronted with the question that Minor left open, Wong Kim Ark decided that that child was a “citizen of the United States” from the moment of birth under the Fourteenth Amendment.

But being a "citizen of the United States" is not the constitutional standard to be met to be eligible to be President. Rather, one must be a "natural born Citizen." See Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 (only if born before the adoption of the Constitution could one who was a “Citizen of the United States” be President; if born thereafter one must be a “natural born Citizen”). So the question that Minor left open and Wong Kim Ark answered is not relevant to Obama who wants to be President, for he has to be a "natural born Citizen," not a "citizen of the United States."

Obama cannot show that he meets the constitutional definition of a "natural-born citizen." He was born to a non-U.S. "citizen" father which automatically disqualifies him from being a "natural born Citizen.'

Robert said...

Mr. Obama indeed has a lot of explaining to do. Even if it is eventually shown that he was born to two citizen parents (and that he just lied - surprise!) he is complicit in felony offenses related to birth certificate fraud, social security fraud, selective service registration fraud, campaign/election fraud and probably a lot more. All of this disqualifies him from holding any executive office.

Additionally, the constitution requires that the president elect qualify prior to the time fixed for taking office. What else could this mean than the PE clearly documenting that he has met the constitutional requirements of office and has received a sufficient and certified electoral college vote?

Constitutionally and legally we have been without a president since January of 2008. Not only that, but all of our elected state and federal officials and all of our Justices and Chiefs of Staff know it and have, with very few exceptions, done absolutely nothing about. This failure to act is in direct violation of their solemn oaths of office. Can you say, "Dereliction of duty" or "Cowardice in the face of the enemy"? How about, "Treason".

Obama isn't the only one with some explaining to do. Maybe our sheriffs will start doing their job and arrest some of these traitors. Unfortunately, I think they're going to follow the lead of King George and wait for another Concord or Lexington before they get too worked up about it. Please, God, let me be wrong on this.

Carlyle said...

Consider this possibility, which with all the partial data collected seems to be a very real possibility.

Suppose Frank Davis was his father and he was born in HI. Then he would have been a NBC. Perhaps he and his flying monkeys always thought that NBC was too arcane for anyone to win a case with, but he was worried about the political fallout of his book about 'his father' being such a huge lie. That may be all he is hiding.

But it still leaves one of my favorite roadblocks. With his adoption by Soetoro and losing his original citizenship, it not only is immaterial where he was born, but who are his parents. Since he has never been naturalized, that would make him right now an Indonesian citizen and not American.

On a different but related note.

What do we think of EVERYBODY circling the wagons to protect Hillary's Muslim chief of staff from Michele Bachmann?

There seems to be a whole lot of people who are especially uneager to have anyone's background looked into. I find that very weird and very worrisome. As much as I hate falling victim to Conspiracy d'Jour, this one is starting to scream CONSPIRACY!

Has the whole class of Powers That Be gone nuts appeasing Muslims?

jayjay said...

All:

Even if Davis is the "real pappy" that means even more so that the world's biggest con has been pulled on the Americqan people and it this ecomes known before the election not too many people (including some Dems) will like to think they elected and are protecting (Obots and MSM) a son of an avowed Communist so ID by the FBI.

That would likely mean he should be jailed (at least) as rapidly as possible before doing futrther damage.

thalightguy said...

Catchy tune, BHO GET OUT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyHJntw1iQ4

Carlyle said...

Mario -

There was no activity here for a couple of days. Perhaps you were busy or something - and it is your blog, and we have no right to complain.

But considering the 'interesting' times in which we are living, you scared the snot out of us.

We thought you had been Breitbarted. Geez. Sigh. Sob.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

Carlyle,

It is just that the Obots have such powerful arguments that they have me speechless.

MichaelN said...

A reminder for "honest" John Woodman and his co-traitors.

No doubt St George Tucker was very conversant with this.

Lord Coke (Calvin's case, the same case cited by Horace Gray in the WKA court)

"An alien born is of foreign birth OR foreign allegiance,..."

So who's an "alien born" John?

Carlyle said...

Here is something else I am deeply expert at. Having spent 20 years in the very deep bowels of the 'very sensitive' faction of the military/industrial complex.

I know about security clearances. Hiring, firing, assignment to projects requiring various clearances, background investigations, inbriefings, outbriefings, etc. etc.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that neither Barry Soetoro nor Huma Wiener could get within a country mile of even the lowest level and least sensitive type of clearance.

And yes, in the clearance 'game', the burden of proof is on the applicant, not the government. EVERYBODY is considered not cleared until they are positively and successfully vetted.

Two of the biggest things they look for are foreign connections (especially relatives) and travel, and anything that could support a blackmail.

There is also a 'bombshell' posted on the postnemail blog - 'the FBI does not vet or clear presidential candidates'. This seems to be new news to them. But, I have been screaming that at the top of my lungs for several years. It is true. The otherwise compelling OBOT argument that The Obama couldn't be that bad or the FBI/CIA/DOD/etc. would not have cleared him - is boldfaced twaddle. However, I think it would come as a surprise to most of them. I think the MSM honestly believes this also.

What are these people doing running OUR country?

Carlyle said...

PS - IF El Presidente Wetback had indeed been vetted by the alphabet agencies, there would be no residual question as to his citizenship. They dig into this as deep as necessary. And, trust me, they accept no abstracts, informal internet images, nor doctored documents.

Teo Bear said...

While I am not much of a birth certificate Birther, I found this interesting .. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/video-arpaios-lead-investigator-talks-obama-birth-certificate-to-abc15

Although it is local it does look like the worm is starting to turn.

Unknown said...

Wednesday, July 18, 2012

OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES

WHERE LIES GO TO DIE – Evidence discovered shows British Protectorate of East Africa recorded Obama’s birth records before 1963 and sent returns of those events to Britain’s Public Records Office and the Kew branch of British National Archives.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2012/07/obamas-kenyan-birth-records-discovered.html

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

Over at Officer Lakin's Amazon page the debate continues on the meaning of a "natural born Citizen." Here is one of my latest comments:

You [AlgomaCentral] mentioned as not supporting the ancient rule that a “natural born Citizen” is a child born to “citizen” parents, Professors, Ronald Rotunda, Professor of Law at Chapman University; Polly Price, Professor of Law at Emory University; Professor Chin; Eugene Volokh, Professor of Law at UCLA; Daniel Takaji, Professor of Law at Ohio State University; and G. Edward White, Professor of Law at the University of Virginia.

But clearly, the professors were not present during the Founding nor have they done their homework. If they were present or had done their homework, they would have known or discover that Professor St. George Tucker, who was present during the Founding and who came to be called America’s Blackstone, said that only a child born to “citizen” parents was not a naturalized “citizen” and could therefore inherit the right to be elected President. Hence, for Tucker a “natural born Citizen” could only be a child born to “citizen” parents. See St. George Tucker, Blackstone’s Commentaries Volume 2, Book 1, Chapter 1 (1803) (“The right of electing, and being elected to, any public office or trust, may be considered as among the most important of these rights. These civil rights may be inherited, or acquired, in the United States: they are acquired by a foreigner who is naturalized; they are inherited by all whose parents, at the time of their birth, were citizens”). Hence, only a child born to “citizen” parents could be a “citizen” who was not naturalized and therefore a “natural born Citizen.”

Carlyle said...

Mario, one of the things that galls me is that these people make no sense.

They need to step back from searching for sources and references that support a diluted NBC definition and simply ask themselves what the purpose of the clause was, and what makes sense.

Being born on the dirt is extremely weak and accomplishes next to nothing. This could not possibly fulfill the objective. Being born to citizen parents is a much stronger exclusion and serves the objective quite well.

Both requirements together would be the strongest. Which do you think the FF's are likely to have chosen?

I maintain that there was only one common definition of NBC and that is what they used. But for the sake of argument, let's suppose there were several versions. Confronted with several versions, why would they have chosen a weaker one?

Furthermore, if there were several versions, don't you think they would have been more explicit what they meant? The fact that they just tossed off the phrase with no further explanation proves, to me, that it could only mean one thing.

Given that Vattel was widely read and one of the most respected treatises on international law, it seems quite obvious that this would be the 'obvious common definition' that everybody understood.

Frankly, I don't give a fig for the OPINIONS of all these smarty pantses. Unless the USSC ever made a clear distinct direct ruling (as opposed to a sideways comment) that changes the meaning of NBC, it is what it was, and it is what it is.

In order to believe otherwise, you have to be extremely ignorant (i.e. not thought about it very much, nor researched it) or you have to be so twisted as to make a contortionist look normal.

These Obama Worshipers need to also ask themselves - if The Obama were not highly likely to be ineligible, why would they care? Also, what objective answer might they come up with?

There is a HUGE difference between asking "what does it mean", and asking "can we figure out a way to force it to mean ____", or what seems to be the current approach, "can we chum the waters enough so that no one can figure it out?"

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

Carlyle,

The Founders and Framers chose for the definition of a "citizen" any person who became a member of American civil society, regardless of how done by Congress or any other law.

And for definition of a "natural born Citizen" they chose a child born in a country to parents who were "citizens" of that country.

This is Vattel's definition and it is the definition that has been confirmed by various U.S. Supreme Court decisions, including Minor v. Happersett and Wong Kim Ark.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

Here is what His Exalted Obamatron, Dr. Conspiracy, has to say on his “conspiracy” (which is not even relevant to the question of whether Barack Obama is an Article II “natural born Citizen”) blog. What he writes is, indeed, Obamatristic:

“The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of birthers out there, millions. But I cannot think of one person that I respect as an intelligent person of integrity that turned out to be a birther. Birthers are indeed the right-wing nut jobs, the cranks, the con men, the conspiracy theorists, the xenophobes, nativists and racists. Frankly I don’t care what that bunch believes. I don’t take credit for this, but the thinkers in the country, the newspaper editors, judges, and decent folks everywhere wouldn’t give a birther the time of day. Everybody that matters is convinced, and that is why I say:
‘We win!’”—Dr. Conspiracy

So there you have the quality of thinking of one of the leaders of all that is Obotic. Really quite pathetic. Now you know why I say that the Obots have received a shellacking from we constitutionalists.

Carlyle said...

This is very much akin to my favorite bit of wisdom:

"I'm sure nothing is horribly wrong, or 'they' would have told us."

- or -

"He can't be a foreign agent or the FBI/CIA would have discovered that when they vetted him."

The intelligent and well-read ones ought to know better. But I really feel sorry for the regular every day people who lack either the wit, the inclination, or the time to research themselves. What choice to they really have.

Look at it from their point of view. Everywhere they see Obama Detractors getting smacked around, while the 'trustworthy' people - e.g. the MSM and congress people, etc. - tell them all is fine.

In my view, the MSM are the worse culprits here. What they are doing borders on treason. I wish I knew how to hold them accountable better. Perhaps the best we can hope for is that The Truth finally gets outed and the entire MSM (and others) end up with major egg on their faces.

Some high-profile heads would roll and The People would be forced to realize that my opening bits of wisdom are false. It would be a long time before the MSM is trusted again.

On the other hand, perhaps the entire MSM establishment, as a whole, is 'too big to fail' and they will be protected somehow.

BTW - I am easily in the top 1% of the intelligencia - aerospace engineer, computer scientist, college professor, etc. I don't mean to brag, as others posting here and elsewhere - and supporting the importance of outing The Obamamessiah's records, are equally so. Your 'friend' is clearly highly uninformed. Me must not get out much.

jayjay said...

Puzo1:

And Kevin Davidson (the aforementioned "Good Doctor") not only has an overblown opinion of himself put on dis-play with most of his posts, but he also doesn't realize that the issue is NOT about "birth" in HI or Kenya, or ANYWHERE.

Our CIC (Chief IslamoCommunist) could have been born in the Lincoln bedroom and he STILL would not be legally eligible to hold the office he now occupies.

In fact, even if it eventuates that F. M. Davis the Communist was his Pappy, he could be a "natural born Citizen" and eligible except for a few notable glitches ... but of course he'd NEVER lie, would he??

Instead he'd just claim no one ever told him that. He puts Charles Dickens' Artful Dodger to shame.

thalightguy said...

Saying "I was born a dual national natural born citizen." is an oxymoron.

This book should of been closed four and a half years ago with the following known facts:

The Framers inserted the ‘natural born citizen’ clause into the Constitution because they understood persons with divided allegiance could be subject to foreign influence and did not want such a person becoming President.

The U.S. Dept of State defines a Dual National as a person who has divided allegiance.

Robert said...

The problem isn't just that we have a usurper in our White House with no allegiance to our Constitution. We have a House, Senate, Court, and Joint Chiefs of Staff with limited allegiance, too.

Doublee said...

I am truly conflicted because I have no faith in our institutions.
I don't know which is worse: having the Supreme Court deny another challenge to Obama's eligibility due to lack of standing, or to have the challenge adjucated and finding that Obama is eligible.

CJ Roberts went out of his way to find that the Affordable Health Care act was constitutional. If he is similarly motivated in Obama's case, I can visualize his ruling that Obama is eligible because he lost his dual citizenship at age 23.

Will four other Justices go along with him?

thalightguy said...

Doublee,

I think you meant three other Justices?

If the Supreme Court takes the case Kagan and Sotomayor should recuse themselves. If they do not, Congress should remove them from the bench.

js said...

....Disposing of all the Confusion....

A person who is a natural ciitzen of America is not born as a natural citizen of any other nation in the world.

Obama was born with British Citizenship through natural inheritance from his father. Nothing else needs to be disputed. The fact that Obama was born a natural Citizen of Britain precludes any possibility that he was born a NBC of America. The Dual Citizenship status did not affect his British Citizenship IAW the BNA of 1948, which is the controlling statute for his natural rights.

"Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth ...."

By descent is inheritance. The Laws of Nature are observed, making BHO a Natural Born Citizen of a foreign country. Congress itself has committed treason for allowing this to happen.

js said...

Actually, Doublee...Roberts failed his duty to uphold the US Constitution, as well as violated the trust and confidence we placed in him when he was appointed.

The Affordable Health Care Act designation penalties for failing to get insurance. Congress is the ONLY entity that can pass taxes upon the people, and if they had specified a tax, it would need be in writting in the AHCA itself. That terminology does not exist. Roberts usurped Congressional Authority when he found the Tax where there was none.

And Congress just sat there and kept thier flaps shut. Not one of them raised a single letter objecting to the usurpation of Congressional Authority.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

js,

Just to make it even easier to understand, only two classes of “citizens” are eligible to be President under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, a “natural born Citizen” and a “Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution.”

Minor v. Happersett (1875) confirmed the definition of a “natural-born citizen” which is a child born in a country to parents who were “citizens” of that country at the time of the child’s birth. U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) defined a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment and in so doing construed that amendment’s “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” clause which did not implicate amending or altering the definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen.” Wong Kim Ark held that a child born in the United States to domiciled and resident alien parents was a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment. Hence, the definition of a “natural-born citizen” remained as confirmed by Minor.


Obama, if born in Hawaii, was born in the United States in 1961. His mother was a “natural born Citizen” when he was born. His father was an alien, but was legally in the United States pursuing a course of university studies. Hence, Obama would presumably also be born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. Under these circumstances, Obama would be born a “citizen of the United States” in 1961.

But regarding whether he is an Article II “natural born Citizen,” Obama was born to a U.S. “citizen” mother, but not also to a U.S. “citizen” father. He therefore is not and cannot be a “natural born Citizen.” See Minor v. Happersett (1875).

What this means is that since Obama is neither an Article II “natural born Citizen” nor a “Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” he is not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military.

Robert said...

As the Constitution is derived from the People and the States which established a federal government of limited and enumerated powers and included specific qualifications for the office of President, etc., it would seem quite logical that any state would have the complete authority to declare the Obama presidency null and void without regard to the supreme court. It doesn't take a supreme court decision to observe that Mr. Obama is not eligible any more than it requires an astronomer to tell us that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West.

We need to put pressure on our state governments to demand compliance with the constitution. This can include our Sheriffs who can refuse to allow illegal ballots to be distributed or counted within their jurisdictions.

js said...

Then again, if properly defined, the 14th Amendment should not include BHO as a citizen.

RE: Federalist Blog

Under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes the same Congress who had adopted the Fourteenth Amendment, confirmed this principle: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”

Who are the subjects of a foreign power? Thomas Jefferson said “Aliens are the subjects of a foreign power.” Thus, the statute can be read as “All persons born in the United States who are not aliens, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”

A citizen under the 14th amendment would literally exclude children born with alien citizenship, as that citizenship made them subject to a foreign power.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

That Obama eligibility matter can be summarized rather easily.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President.” Did you see that, today only a “natural born Citizen” is eligible to be President. A “citizen of the United States” is not eligible to be President today.

Minor held”

“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.”

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875). Minor defined an Article II "natural-born citizen."

Wong Kim Ark held:

"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 705 (1898). Wong Kim Ark defined a Fourteenth Amendment "citizen of the United States."

So there you have the legal definitions of both an Article II "natural born Citizen" and a Fourteenth Amendment "citizen of the United States." And the facts show that Obama, who was born to a non-U.S. citizen father, does not meet Minor’s definition of a “natural-born citizen.” If he was born in Hawaii, he can meet Wong Kim Ark’s definition of a Fourteenth Amendment “citizen of the United States.” The problem for Obama is that he has to be a “natural born Citizen,” not just a “citizen of the United States.” What this means is that since Obama is neither an Article II “natural born Citizen” nor a “Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” he is not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military.

Robert said...

It is also worth noting, pertaining to Ark, that Obama senior was not permanently domiciled here nor was he maintaining a business. There are also questions regarding his relationship with the Kenyan government as he was a participant in a US/Kenya education program as a representative of Kenya.

So, Ark goes out of its way to exclude Obama. And, apparently for good reason. Obama senior was such a self-serving miscreant that Harvard sought to have him thrown out of the country.

We can see that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Carlyle said...

@ Robert said...

July 30, 2012 11:06 AM

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Thank you very much for that.

That is a Big Picture item of great merit and importance.

I have always been uncomfortable with the USSC being The Interpreter of the constitution. I suppose you cannot stop them from being A interpreter, but they should not be THE interpreter.

At a minimum, each and every state MUST be allowed some measure of interpreting the constitution within their own state. And a sufficient number of them acting together should be able to rule in regards the whole country.

I realize the constitution does not provide the specifics of a mechanism like this, but the overall nature and origin of the constitution, and the 9th and 10th amendments certainly provide strong clues.

In any case, your observation about El Presidente Wetback is critical. Regardless of the USSC, each state MUST determine for itself the eligibility of this putative foreign fraud.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

Fred Thompson has written an article in which he argues that Marco Rubio is eligible to be Vice-President. See it at
http://fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/#comment-2254 I have left this comment at his blog:

I of III

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President.” Did you see that, today only a “natural born Citizen” is eligible to be President. A “citizen of the United States” is not eligible to be President today.

The clear distinction between a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen” is natural and therefore universal, for a civil society must start with original members (called “citizens” in a republic) who are the creators of that society. Their children, grandchildren, etc. (“Posterity”) then are the “natural-born citizens.” This is what Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 in effect says. The creators of the new republic were “Citizens of the United States” and their “Posterity” (Preamble to the Constitution) were “natural born Citizens.” The Founders and Framers also allowed for new citizens through naturalization. Hence, any naturalized citizen under any Act of Congress becomes a “citizen of the United States,” just like the original “Citizens of the United States.” A reading of the plain text of the Fourteenth Amendment shows that it also only adds to the “citizens of the United States,” simply by persons being born (without requiring “citizen” parents) or naturalized in its jurisdiction. And the children (“Posterity”) born in the United States to those new first generation “citizens of the United States” then become “natural born Citizens,” just like the children of the descendents of the original “Citizens of the United States.”

Minor defined a "natural-born citizen" under the "common-law" with which the Framers were familiar. The definition it gave is a child born in a country to parents who were "citizens" of that country at the time the child was born. Some argue that this definition is not dispositive, because the Court did not say that a child born in the United States to alien parents is not a “natural-born citizen.” This argument is frivolous, for we need to understand what the Court intended by what it said, and not by what it did not say. If I want to define a dog, I include as many of a dog’s attributes, including that a dog by nature is an animal with warm blood. I do not also have to say at the same time that by nature a dog is not an animal with cold blood. There is no indication that this definition is not totally inclusive and exclusive. On the contrary, this has always been the definition of the clause. This definition has never changed.

It is more than clear that Minor had two types of “citizens” in mind, a “citizen” and a “natural-born citizen,” and it cannot be otherwise. In the doubt-free definition of a “natural-born citizen” presented by Minor and to which you also concede, the parents are “citizens” and the children are “natural born citizens.”

So, there was no question for the Minor Court whether children born in the United States to alien parents were or were not “natural-born citizens.” Those children simply did not meet the Founders’ and Framers’ definition of a “natural-born citizen.” So, they were not “natural-born citizens.” The only question was whether those children now fell under the new Fourteenth Amendment which included as “citizens of the United States” children born “within the jurisdiction” of the United States. Minor did not need to answer that question, for Virginia Minor was a "natural-born citizen."

Minor did not itself create this definition but only confirmed it. In fact, Emer de Vattel had already stated this same definition in 1758 as follows:

Continued . . .

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

II of III

"The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

Emer de Vattel, The Law of Nations, Section 212 Citizens and natives (London 1797) (1st ed. Neuchatel 1758). Vattel required that for a child to be a “natural-born citizen,” at the time of birth, the child had to be born in the country to “citizen” parents. See also The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (C.J. Marshall concurring) (“The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens”); Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) (J. Daniels concurring) (“The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens”).

Minor added that "some authorities" go further. But the Court was referring to whether a child "born in the jurisdiction" to alien parents is a "citizen of the United States" under the Fourteenth Amendment, not whether that child is an Article II "natural born Citizen." After all, the Founders and Framers had only one definition of a "natural born Citizen" in mind and the Court stated that doubt-free definition. That definition came from the law of nations and was confirmed by our First Congress which passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 and subsequent Congresses which passed the acts of 1795, 1802, and 1855 (all treated children born in the United States to alien parents as aliens), and also in 1814 by Founder, Chief Justice Marshall. When the Constitution was adopted, that one definition became the supreme law of the land which can be changed only by constitutional amendment. Minor would also not have referred to the Founders and Framers as "some authorities" and even add that "there have been doubts" about their definition of a "natural born Citizen." In fact, the "natural born Citizen" clause was not even debated during the Constitutional convention, so surely there were no doubts about its definition. On the contrary, the Court even said that there were no doubts about the definition of a "natural-born citizen" that it gave.

Continued . . .

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

III of III

Wong Kim Ark did answer the question left open by Minor and said that those children, born in the United States to domiciled and resident alien parents, are “citizens of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment. But Wong Kim Ark twice demonstrated that those children are only “citizens of the United States,” not “natural born Citizens.” Wong Kim Ark recognized that Wong was a Fourteenth Amendment “citizen of the United States,” but not an Article II “natural born Citizen.” Justice Gray told us twice of this distinction. The first time he said: “The child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle.' Page 22, note. This paper, without Mr. Binney's name, and with the note in a less complete form, and not containing the passage last cited, was published (perhaps from the first edition) in the American Law Register for February, 1854. 2 Am. Law Reg. 193, 203, 204. ” Wong Kim Ark, at 665-66. Later in his opinion, Justice Gray, in speaking about a child born in the United States to alien parents again said that an alien’s “child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, 'If born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle.'” Id. at 694. It is critical that when he mentioned it for the second time, his sentence followed the Court’s conclusion which he based on how the English common law held aliens in amity to have sufficient allegiance to the King to make his children born in the King’s dominion “natural born subjects,” that Wong was born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. So twice, Justice Gray told us of the distinction between a child born in the country to aliens and a child born in the country to “citizen” parents. He explained that both are “citizens,” but only the latter is a “natural-born citizen.”

So, Minor confirmed the original definition of a "natural born Citizen" used by the Founders and Framers. That definition is a child born in a country to parents who are “citizens” of that country at the time of the child’s birth. To date, that definition has not been changed, not even by the Fourteenth Amendment (only defines a “citizen of the United States) or U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (construing the Fourteenth Amendment, only defined a “citizen of the United States”). Any other U.S. “citizen” is a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment, Act of Congress, or treaty. So, today, a “natural born Citizen” is still a child born in the United States to parents who were “citizens” at the time of the child’s birth. That definition continues to be the supreme law of the land until changed by constitutional amendment.

Barack Obama, Marco Rubio, and Bobby Jindal were all not born to U.S. “citizen” parents (“natural born Citizens” or “citizens of the United States” at birth or after birth) at the time of their birth. Being born to just one U.S. “citizen” parent (Obama’s birth circumstance) is not sufficient because the child inherits through jus sanguinis from the one non-U.S. citizen parent a foreign allegiance and citizenship just as strong as if born to two non-U.S. “citizen” parents. Hence, Obama, Rubio, and Jindal are all not “natural born Citizens.” Rubio and Jindal, being born in the United States and “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” are “citizens of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment. If Obama was born in Hawaii, he too is a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment. But what this means is that since Obama, Rubio, and Jindal are neither Article II “natural born Citizens” nor “Citizens of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” they are not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military or Vice-President.

Carlyle said...

Mario -

Thank you for the clarity on Rubio and Jindal. You may recall that I often say no one will take us seriously unless we apply our concerns to everybody where appropriate.

They may not take us seriously anyway, but we must remove all hints of partisanship, favoritism, or racism. We must be fair, comprehensive, and even-handed.

Besides, the best way for the 'birthers' to go mainstream is to scream bloody murder about one of their own. This might get some media attention and accidentally focus some collateral sunshine on the "must not talk about it" clear and present danger.

Carlyle said...

BTW - I keep seeing my posts about security clearances at the top of this page. I guess they would be #401 and #402.

Didn't anybody read this? Where is the OUTRAGE?!

Doesn't anybody believe me? Or nobody cares?

To me, this is REALLY SERIOUS SH-T. This is a major MAJOR national security issue. Perhaps the worst in our nation's history.

I know this is not the main focus of this blog, but this is very scary. Who can stop the juggernaut? If he is really a foreign agent, a simple minor thing like an election will not stop him. He WILL win. His handlers cannot afford for him to lose. They will do anything - ANYTHING - to ensure he wins.

Does this not trouble you?

Do you all think he is just a simple person who wanted to be president and tried to game the system? You know, 'just' a fraud and a conman?

If what you all suspect is true, and many of you screaming to be true, is correct - Isn't it much more likely that this was all done for a purpose according to a plan?

Whose plan? Some common ordinary Chicago criminal street thug? I don't think so.

Some say a second term will lead to a coup, a dictatorship. By all that is righteous, dear people, if what we think is true, the coup done came already.

Follow what you believe to it's logical conclusion. Are you afraid yet???

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

The three-part comment that I posted here at 8:56 p.m. and which I posted earlier at Fred Thompson's blog is still in moderation at his blog. Other comments after mine have been released and posted there. I then posted this comment about 10 minutes ago"

"Mr. Thompson,

I would appreciate it if you would release my comment from moderation."

My second comment is also still in moderation.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. said...

I just posted this comment at Fred Thompson's blog in response to his article which maintains that Marco Rubio is a "natural born Citizen:"

"I posted my response to Mr. Thompson yesterday which he did not release from moderation. My response contained nothing but my legal argument on the question of whether Marco Rubio and Barack Obama and Bobby Jindal are "natural born citizens." I followed up with an inquiry as to why he did not release my comment from moderation. He also did not release that second comment. Today, I see that my two comments have been totally erased from Mr. Thompson's blog."

This third comment is also now in moderation.

Robert said...

Carlyle,

Your are right to recognize that there is a bigger picture behind Obama.

I believe you'll find your answers when you related the phrase, "Never let a good crisis go to waste." with the timing of the review of the charter of the Federal Reserve Bank, the people behind the bank, and the actions that they have taken to protect their interests.

As great as the Obama scam is, it's small potatoes compared to the Federal Reserve Bank. They create money from nothing, loan it at interest, leverage that interest enormously through fractional banking, and then pay no taxes on their profits.

They have established the ultimate "legal" Ponzi scheme. It is impossible to retire the total debt to the bank simply because there can never be enough money in circulation to do so. They have created a vortex that is quickly sucking up all of the world's wealth at a geometrically accelerating pace.

The Fed was established in December of 1913 with a 99 year charter. So, their time comes up for renewal this December.

Don't look for any major news announcements as they will try to sneak this quietly under the rug. A knowledgeable and engaged public is their greatest fear. For now, distraction is the name of the game. A clear thinking public would never renew their charter.

As important as is our task to bring Obama to justice, we need to also make sure that the charter of the Fed is not renewed, that control of our money supply is returned to a Constitutional Congress, that our money supply is placed on sound footing - solidly backed, and that it is put in circulation at no cost to our government.

The more the public becomes aware of this issue, the more likely we'll have a big October surprise. The Puppet Masters don't want us thinking about this. So, there are lots of distractions ready to go should the need arise to create massive instability. I bet you can easily think of several just off the top of your head.

At stake for the Puppet Masters is literally trillions of dollars. You can be sure that they will, if necessary, easily sacrifice Obama and all he has done to provide cover for their survival. He is merely a tool for distraction. They don't care if he succeeds or fails. They just want to maintain control of the money.

Remember, who controls the money controls the world.

Carlyle said...

FLOCK!! Thwarted at every turn. What happened to honest debate? Even worse, what happened to due process? How do you sue to get due process?

cfkerchner said...

Attorney Mario Apuzzo Responds To Fred Thompson’s Article Defending Marco Rubio’s Constitutional Eligibility | by Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/attorney-mario-apuzzo-responds-to-fred-thompsons-article-defending-marco-rubios-constitutional-eligibility-by-mario-apuzzo-esq/

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
ProtectOurLiberty.org

Carlyle said...

Robert, certainly many of your 'trees' are correct, and you may indeed be right about the 'forest'. But I am not sure this is THE story or at least not the WHOLE story.

Those secretive manipulators have had enough technology and power (and money) for at least 50 years to do what you say. Which implies they have held off until just now.

Why is that the case? What is so special about right now? Why not install a puppet regime, commit a grand coup, decades ago?

In summary, you may be partially right, but you are still missing something critical. What? I wish I knew. I fear whatever it is is 'not a good thing'.

cfkerchner said...

Speaking of trees and forests, here is an essay I wrote on trees and plants and basic set theory logic as part of the natural born Citizen battle with the Obots and to educate people as to the games the Obots are playing with language. And now Fred Thompson is doing it. I posted this comment to his article but it has been held in moderation for over 24 hours now and many other later ones have been released. I guess Fred can't stand the truth of basic logic and wants to hide it from others too. This is what I tried to post in Fred Thompson's comments. Geez and he's supposed to be the Law and Order guy. ;-)

For more on the legal difference between the legal term of art “Citizen at Birth” and the legal term of art “natural born Citizen” at birth, see this essay I wrote on that subject:

http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/of-natural-born-citizens-and-citizens-at-birth-and-basic-logic-trees-are-plants-but-not-all-plants-are-trees-natural-born-citizens-nbc-are-citizens-at-birth-cab-but-not-all-cab/

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
ProtectOurLiberty.org

MichaelIsGreat said...

There seems to be no hope whatsoever to have a legal ruling that would support full discovery of the truth on many of Obama's documents!!!
Even the judges of the Supreme Court of the USA act dishonestly and illegally concerning Obama's several suits that they refused to hear for dishonest and shameful reasons!!!

Not to mention his FORGET long-form birth cerfiticate (officially claimed as being genuine by the crooks in Hawaii)!!!
Not to mention his selective service card, forged too.
Not to mention his social security number that belongs to a deceased man who was living in Connecticut, not in Hawaii!!!
Not to mention many problems that are likely to exist in many of the remaining documents kept sealed from prying eyes by Obama!!!

If we can't find justice concerning Obama's serious frauds through this bankrupted American judicial system, where on earth could we get such justice?!!!! And when?!!!!

jayjay said...

All:

My suspicion is that once Obama realizes his chances of being elected by the voting process (no matter that he's rigged it as much as possible to do so) have failed completely it's my bet that "our guy" will go into full dictator mode ala Hugo Chavez to stay in power as dictator forever.

After all he's got a high-maitenance lifestyle for both himself and his li'l wifey and fMILY and his arrogance demands no less. In his mind he deserves it.

He's already implemented most of the dictatorial powers (implanted czars, weak-minded communist media, and his ever-loving Executive Orders) he'll need to kick thins off and get things rolling. Maybe he'll even appoint an executions czar since there are so many "undesirables" about.

If he does take this path, we'll never see any real elections again in my lifetime ... or yours most likely.

Something to think on ...

phil stone said...

Has anyone verified Obama's Kenyan birth records in British National Archives as noted in Daily Pen?

MichaelN said...

Just a reminder for the traitors, i.e. John Woodman, RealityCheck, Ballantine, BrianH, et al

No doubt St George Tucker was very conversant with this principle of English common law.

It so happens it was also the US common law.

Lord Coke (Calvin's case, the same case cited by Horace Gray in the WKA court)

"An alien born is of foreign birth OR foreign allegiance,..."

Both English common law and US common law hold that Barack Hussein Obama is an "alien born" at birth, due to foreign allegiance (his father being a British subject).

Carlyle said...

@jayjay said...
August 7, 2012 9:33 PM
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Yes. Remember this chant:

Every Means Available
Any Means Necessary

Given the pronounced and ongoing criminal activity, middle-fingering the law and the constitution -- why would he 'follow the process' and gracefully lose and just walk away?

Remember, I am a scientist and engineer. Think logically and follow trains of thought to their natural conclusions.

I also continue to say to those who predict or worry that a coup is in the making:

"The coup already happened."

Unknown said...

There are now strong indications that Obama was indeed adopted by his mother's 'second' husband who was Indonesian and thereby became an Indonesian citizen and could attend public schools. Unless I am mistaken this would eliminate his status as a natural born citizen even if he were born in the USA, the son of two American citizens. I believe I am correct in thinking that he would have had to be naturalized to become an American citizen when he returned to Hawaii but am not sure what that would entail. Comments?

Carlyle said...

William St. George said...
August 8, 2012 2:42 PM

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All that is exactly correct.

I have never been as big on fighting the NBC battle as some of you (but Mario lets me post here anyway, grin), and have always said that El Presidente Wetback is no kind of American Citizen at all.

His school records and passport records would clearly show that.

All that is lacking is for a big stick to hit somebody over the head with - a huge smoking gun - choose your metaphor. Perhaps this new bit of information will help in that regard.

No one has found any records of EPW ever being naturalized. He is not now an American citizen and perhaps never was. At most, just a few years when he was very young.

That is THE BIG SECRET.

Linda said...

You could do just a bit of research to learn that a parent cannot denounce the US citizenship of their child and that adoption wouldn't change citizenship status either.

MichaelIsGreat said...

Hello Mr. Apuzzo,

It is really very upsetting to see that your case very likely will not be heard before the start of the Presidential election when it is directly related to it!!

This judicial system in the US is worse than the worst dictatorships in the world!!! It is simply a mockery of justice, to say the least!!

Thanks your efforts to fight to defend the Constitution of the USA and those who think they are above the law, like Hussein Obama, a closet Muslim who has already bankrupted the US by spending more than $6 TRILLION since he took office!!

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